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(TheNation) To convict Trump on impeachment charges, 20 GOP senators will need to break ranks. Heres how that can happen.
Democrats in the House of Representatives will eventually get around to filing impeachment charges against President Donald Trump. Ukraine envoy Bill Taylor has laid out the quid pro quo that Trump and Rudolph Giuliani orchestrated to pressure Ukraine into investigating Trumps political rivals. Were now in an episode of Columbo (Google it, kids). In the first scene weve been shown the crime and the culprit; now were just watching to see when everybody else figures it out.
But has anybody tried? Has anybody rattled the cages of these elected officials? Do the American people even know which cages to rattle?
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Still, despite what fatalistic Democrats and pundits tell you, a conviction in the Senate is not hopeless. The Daily Caller, a conservative website I only check when I want to feel morally and intellectually superior to others, claims to have done a poll of all 53 Republican senators. They found that only seven of them dismissed impeachment outrightand many of those seven staked their dismissals on process concerns, which will be hard to stick to after all the evidence is laid bare during a televised Senate trial. All of this suggests that there is a lot of room to move the Republican caucus.
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Towards that end, I have divided the Republican Senate into four groups.
GROUP A: THE RETIRING OR UP FOR REELECTION. 23 people who will have to vote on whether to convict an obviously corrupt president and then face the voters.
GROUP B: REPUBLICANS WITH AN ALLEGED CONSCIENCE. Dont get me wrong, I think all of these people, with the exception of Murkowski, are bald-faced hypocrites. These 10 ten people damn well know that extorting a foreign government to investigate a political rival in exchange for weapons to fight Russia warrants removal from office.
GROUP C: THE ONES WHO KNOW THE VOTERS WILL NEVER FORGET. These senators are not up for reelection in 2020. But theres no reasonable universe where these people should be able to acquit Trump and then hang onto their jobs when their election cycle is up.
GROUP D: AT LEAST WE TRIED. These people are not going to vote to convict the president. But lets do the math the other way. Instead of counting to 20 Republicans as I have been doing, lets try to count to the 34 Republicans needed to acquit the president. This at least we tried group represents 17 votes, half the needed number. Scroll back up through the previous groups. Are you sure that Trump has 17 additional votes?
Trumps entire defense rests on his belief that there arent 20 Republicans with the courage to cross him. What if hes wrong?
https://www.thenation.com/article/impeachment-senate-republicans/
(LONG article so I snipped & shortened best I could)
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)The vote is 2/3 of those present, not 2/3 of the whole Senate.
FM123
(10,053 posts)According to Laurence Tribe, the Constitution doesnt indicate that removal from office requires 2/3 of the Senate, it just requires 2/3 of senators present for the proceedings.
So in theory, a vote to convict the president would count as legal with as few as 34 members, not 67, assuming the absolute minimum of 51 participated.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,624 posts)I wouldn't put such a stunt past the GOP, staying away from a vote to put all the political pressure on the Dems, and probably to incite violence by the Trump or die supporters against the "coup".
Fiendish Thingy
(15,624 posts)Moscow Mitch will signal To dump him.
If Moscow Mitch wasn't up for reelection this cycle, the odds against removal would be greater.
With public hearings coming in November, this is why Barr is ramping up his own Witchless With Hunt against the "Deep State". November will be a wild ride, hopefully with much to be thankful for.