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NRaleighLiberal

(60,015 posts)
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 03:07 PM Oct 2019

Pertinent read - NYT Op Ed "Why Does Only One Party Play by the Rules?"

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/25/opinion/trump-2020-democrats.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

It’s that time of the campaign season when some Democrats are starting to feel — as President Jimmy Carter might have put it — malaise. They’re staring at their 2020 lineup and wondering whether it’s a guaranteed recipe for buyer’s remorse. Joe Biden is too old, Pete Buttigieg is too young, Kamala Harris is too uncertain, Bernie Sanders too unpalatable, Elizabeth Warren too unelectable.

All of which may be right. But I have an additional theory for why some Democrats are the vexed and depleted souls they seem to be these days, waking up with lead in their veins and worms in their stomachs. It boils down to this: They can’t escape the sense that they’re living by different rules.

Let me rephrase that: Democrats are acting as though there still are rules, when in fact they’re living in a political multiverse — with at least one parallel reality containing no rules at all.

What do you do when one party stakes its faith — and ultimately government itself — on observable, measurable realities while the other has made the cynical decision to cast these principles away? How do you strategize? How do you cope?


It’s not just that President Trump serially lies in plain sight. (What’s The Washington Post’s latest tally? 13,435? Whatever: Just imagine a whirring odometer on a shuttle to Mars.) It’s that he’s surrounded by occluders and toadies, nihilist tricksters spun directly from the looms of the Marx Brothers’ imagination. (“Who you gonna believe? Me or your own eyes?”)

A raft of House and Senate Republicans — including (say it with me) Senator Lindsey Graham — learned that Ukraine’s top diplomat had confirmed the Trump administration’s aid-for-dirt caper, yet still insists the impeachment proceedings are a sham. The acting White House chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, acknowledged this same quid pro quo in a news conference, only to proclaim later that none of us understands English. Any public servant who dares say that two plus two just might equal four is immediately accused by Trump of radicalism, treason, witch hunting.

Compare that with President Barack Obama’s relationship with those who inconvenienced him. When James Comey, then the head of the F.B.I., made the fateful decision to announce that he’d reopened his inquiry into Hillary Clinton’s emails just days before the 2016 election, Obama could not have been especially pleased. By imperiling Clinton’s chances, Comey was imperiling Obama’s own legacy too. Yet Obama still behaved warmly toward him, according to James Stewart in his new book, “Deep State.” Why? Because “Democrats,” as Jonathan Chait explained in his review of that book, “still believed in institutions and norms.”

This idea — that Democrats still believe in norms, customs, the rather crucial notion of checks and balances, in government itself — may be the crux of the multiverse problem. Look at someone like Joe Biden, whose essential pitch (in addition to experience, incremental change, working-class-guyness) is that he can work with the men and women on the other side of the aisle.

But this suggests that compromise is an option. It doesn’t appear that the other side is much interested. You have Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader, holding a Supreme Court appointment hostage for nearly a year, blocking almost all legislative debate and passing a bill to protect the 2020 elections from foreign interference only under extreme duress; the world’s “greatest deliberative body” is now a speedway for the Trump agenda. You have the House Republicans informally observing the “Hastert Rule”— named for the former speaker Dennis Hastert, who was carted off to prison for paying hush money to a former student he’d sexually abused — which says bills can come to the floor only if a majority of the Republicans support them. It virtually ensures minoritarian rule.

And you have partisan news outlets with zero interest in reporting the basic facts of Trump’s corruption or the catastrophic consequences of his impulses. We’ve gone from Pax Americana to Fox Americana in the blink of an eye.

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So, to repeat: What to do about this? Do you capitulate, sell your soul and resort to the same lawless tactics as your opponents? Or do you take the high road and run the risk of losing?

The only guide we have is 2018. But it’s not a bad one. What it showed was that sometimes it pays to go high. The Democrats just have to aggressively sell an honorable message.

Specifically, what the Democrats should say is: Anyone who’s not in the business of peddling the truth shouldn’t be in the business of government. Or publishing, for that matter. Trump once said that he could probably get away with murder. (And his lawyers recently, surreally, made this same case in a federal appeals court.) That’s what Mark Zuckerberg is doing on Facebook, figuratively speaking, by allowing political ads with demonstrably false content to run on his platform, no matter what other features the company rolls out.

Right now, the Democrats are badly losing the Facebook war. But it’s not too late for them to wage this fight, and in the right way. They could still campaign on the idea of a government that believes in itself — and self-evident truths, like something as basic as the size of an inaugural crowd.

It would be a declaration of values. In the Trump era, that’s not a bad place to start.
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Pertinent read - NYT Op Ed "Why Does Only One Party Play by the Rules?" (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Oct 2019 OP
Kick dalton99a Oct 2019 #1
On the macro level, *maybe* the Democrats are losing the Facebook war. Efilroft Sul Oct 2019 #2
Well maybe someone needs to tell all Facebook users that... WyattKansas Oct 2019 #5
Very interesting! Efilroft Sul Oct 2019 #9
I have been away from the site, but to answer your question... WyattKansas Nov 2019 #10
Thank you for the reply! Efilroft Sul Nov 2019 #11
The Parties are divided by personality imprints, not policies or politics. Midnight Writer Oct 2019 #3
indeed - I think of it as those who see the world as one - we are all in this together, and need NRaleighLiberal Oct 2019 #4
That's a new word association for me: "NYT" and "Pertinent". abqtommy Oct 2019 #6
I find lots of what they print pertinent, other things not so NRaleighLiberal Oct 2019 #7
To be clear, Trump said he wouldn't lose a supporter if he murdered someone. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #8

Efilroft Sul

(3,579 posts)
2. On the macro level, *maybe* the Democrats are losing the Facebook war.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 03:34 PM
Oct 2019

I suppose an argument could be made about Zuck's conservative "fact checking" media allies and him allowing political liars to run wild. And, of course, 2016.

But on the personal level, in my experience and that of my friends, the Democrats are giving Republicans the ol' Bartcop red-ass. As I told one Trumpanzee I knew from high school, "Democrats aren't running ICE facilities, so we're not taking any prisoners with you people."

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
5. Well maybe someone needs to tell all Facebook users that...
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 06:06 PM
Oct 2019

Anyone with Facebook on their computer or device is allowing Russian Bots, employed by Russian hackers, to have full access to all of their financial and banking activities through a backdoor not monitored by internet security software. That should scare the shit out of people.

Well hell, how does the general public really know that isn't happening now, since Facebook doesn't care what is damaged through their site? Does Facebook allow Russian hackers to employ Bots on Facebook to hack an individual's financial information???

WyattKansas

(1,648 posts)
10. I have been away from the site, but to answer your question...
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:28 PM
Nov 2019

I only used simple logic that the same Russian hacker BOTS just might know something about hacking peoples financial info on personal computers, since they get such lavish advertising with Facebook. That is why I also asked the question of who really does know what the Russians have gained access to with the American People since Facebook is so eager to put Russian BOTS on their computers and devices with political ads... The same people that engineered and deployed the BOTS wouldn't be involved in internet financial crimes as well?

It is not hard to see how it all plays out, since the same organization can do serious criminal activity over the internet at will, due to Corporations.

Midnight Writer

(21,768 posts)
3. The Parties are divided by personality imprints, not policies or politics.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 05:13 PM
Oct 2019

There is the Me Me Me, win at all cost, own the Libs, I got mine screw everyone else mentality on the Right, as opposed to the let's work together, lift all boats, love the least of us, respect our world, play by the rules Left.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,015 posts)
4. indeed - I think of it as those who see the world as one - we are all in this together, and need
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 05:17 PM
Oct 2019

to look beyond ourselves and our time - and those who make it all about themselves and today - screw the future or anyone else.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
8. To be clear, Trump said he wouldn't lose a supporter if he murdered someone.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 07:35 PM
Oct 2019

Which is, of course, likely true and a direct insult to his supporters. The DOJ and his lawyers have taken it a step further by saying he can't even be indicted or stopped by the police if he starts mowing people down. Madness, which sums up the GOP.

Anyway, those excerpts are spot-on. There's no compromising with liars, cheats and people out to destroy any and all democratic institutions.

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