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fleur-de-lisa

(14,627 posts)
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 03:14 PM Oct 2019

Giuliani butt-dials NBC reporter, heard discussing need for cash and trashing Bidens

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rudy-giuliani-butt-dials-nbc-reporter-heard-discussing-need-cash-n1071901

Oct. 25, 2019, 1:42 PM CDT / Updated Oct. 25, 2019, 2:02 PM CDT; By Rich Schapiro

Late in the evening on Oct. 16, Rudy Giuliani made a phone call to this reporter. The fact that Giuliani was reaching out wasn’t remarkable. He and the reporter had spoken earlier that night for a story about his ties to a fringe Iranian opposition group. But this call, it would soon become clear, wasn’t a typical case of a source following up with a reporter. The call came in at 11:07 p.m. and went to voicemail; the reporter was asleep.

The next morning, a message exactly three minutes long was sitting in his voicemail. In the recording, the words tumbling out of Giuliani’s mouth were not directed at the reporter. He was speaking to someone else, someone in the same room. The call appeared to be one of the most unfortunate of faux pas: what is known, in casual parlance, as a butt dial. And it wasn’t the first time it had happened.

“You know,” Giuliani says at the start of the recording. “Charles would have a hard time with a fraud case ‘cause he didn’t do any due diligence.”

It wasn’t clear who Charles is, or who may have been implicated in a fraud. In fact, much of the message’s first minute is difficult to comprehend, in part because the voice of the other man in the conversation is muffled and barely intelligible. But then Giuliani says something that’s crystal clear.

"Let's get back to business." He goes on.

"I gotta get you to get on Bahrain." Giuliani is well-connected in the Kingdom of Bahrain.

Last December, he visited the Persian Gulf nation and had a one-on-one meeting with King Hamad Bin Isa al-Khalifa in the royal palace. “King receives high-level U.S. delegation,” read the headline of the state-run Bahrain News Agency blurb about the visit.
Giuliani runs a security consulting company, but it’s not clear why he would have a meeting with Bahrain’s king. Was he acting in his capacity as a consultant? As Trump’s lawyer? Or as an international fixer running a shadow foreign policy for the president?

In May, Giuliani told the Daily Beast his firm had signed a deal with Bahrain to advise its police force on counter-terrorism measures. But the Bahrain News Agency account of the meeting suggested Giuliani was viewed more like an ambassador than a security consultant. “HM the King praised the longstanding Bahraini-U.S. relations, noting keenness of the two countries to constantly develop them,” it said.

The voicemail yielded no details about the meeting. But Giuliani can be heard telling the man that he’s “got to call Robert again tomorrow.”

“Is Robert around?” Giuliani asks.

“He’s in Turkey,” the man responds.

Giuliani replies instantly. “The problem is we need some money.”

The two men then go silent. Nine seconds pass. No word is spoken. Then Giuliani chimes in again.

“We need a few hundred thousand,” he says.

It’s unclear what the two men were talking about. But Giuliani is known to have worked closely with a Robert who has ties to Turkey.
His name is Robert Mangas, and he’s a lawyer at the firm Greenberg Traurig LLP, as well as a registered agent of the Turkish government. Giuliani himself was employed by Greenberg Traurig until about May 2018.

Mangas’s name appears in court documents related to the case of Reza Zarrab, a Turkish gold trader charged in the U.S. with laundering Iranian money in a scheme to evade American sanctions. Giuliani was brought on to assist Zarrab in 2017. He traveled to Turkey with his former law partner Michael Mukasey and attempted to strike a deal with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to secure the release of their jailed client, alarming the federal prosecutor leading the case. Giuliani and Mangas were both employed by Greenberg Traurig at the time. The firm and Mangas had registered with the Justice Department to lobby the U.S. government on behalf of Turkey, according to an affidavit from Mangas.

Mangas did not return a request for comment.

Giuliani’s conversation partner can be heard responding to the "few hundred thousand" comment. But it’s possible to make out only the beginning of his answer, and even that is somewhat garbled.

“I’d say even if Bahrain could get, I’m not sure how good [unintelligible words] with his people,” the man says.

“Yeah, okay,” Giuliani says.

“You want options? I got options,” the man says.

“Yeah give me options,” Giuliani replies.

The exchange took place at the 2:20 mark in the voicemail message. The other man does most of the talking in the remaining 40 seconds, and it’s difficult to piece together what he says.
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Giuliani butt-dials NBC reporter, heard discussing need for cash and trashing Bidens (Original Post) fleur-de-lisa Oct 2019 OP
In a separate butt-dial call: fleur-de-lisa Oct 2019 #1
"So the big turning point in your screen play is one of the bad guys butt-dials a reporter?" gratuitous Oct 2019 #2
No wonder Rudy works 'for free' . . . who would pay him? fleur-de-lisa Oct 2019 #4
So, he runs a security consulting company; repeatedly butt-dials reporters and blabs god-knows-what flibbitygiblets Oct 2019 #12
My filmmaker friend and I were just discussing that no one would ever buy this script. Too crazy! OMGWTF Oct 2019 #19
hahahahahahahahahaha TeamPooka Oct 2019 #22
:D :D :D NCLefty Oct 2019 #50
Yeah, it's clear that the writers for the prestige drama that we're all living in... Salviati Oct 2019 #51
And in the center ring...Inept Sidekick Man!!! ret5hd Oct 2019 #3
this AllaN01Bear Oct 2019 #44
What an idiot - no wonder he is the butt of so many jokes! FM123 Oct 2019 #5
good thing DENVERPOPS Oct 2019 #27
I would imagine that we have the technology to decipher the entire conversation? Native Oct 2019 #6
I'm willing to bet on it. But it has to be iron clad. nolabear Oct 2019 #7
Greatest headline of my entire life??! Leghorn21 Oct 2019 #8
Recommended. H2O Man Oct 2019 #9
He butt dialed not ONCE, Kitchari Oct 2019 #10
Ali Velshi just had the reporter on his MSNBC show and played part of the call Rhiannon12866 Oct 2019 #11
I was gonna turn on the TV BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #13
Nicolle Wallace is on now and she's always great and has a good panel too Rhiannon12866 Oct 2019 #17
I record it every day now renate Oct 2019 #18
Yes, hers is my favorite in the afternoons now. Rhiannon12866 Oct 2019 #30
If I am going to turn it on, BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #21
Ari is another favorite of mine Rhiannon12866 Oct 2019 #33
I do like Maya BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #34
They used to show a second repeat of Rachel, which made sense Rhiannon12866 Oct 2019 #45
LOL BumRushDaShow Oct 2019 #47
Even Chuck Todd is showing signs of life lately not fooled Oct 2019 #39
I agree, he's definitely improved, he pretty much lost it with that Republican senator recently Rhiannon12866 Oct 2019 #40
What kind of world do these people inhabit Skidmore Oct 2019 #14
The Twilight Zone. triron Oct 2019 #15
Perfect description DENVERPOPS Oct 2019 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Oct 2019 #16
Releasing it to the public without corroborating what it means? jayschool2013 Oct 2019 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Oct 2019 #32
So if Joe Bloe gets a VM from some idiot, can't he disseminate it? erronis Oct 2019 #28
#1 The journo did not ask for this #2 It's on his answering machine & not just notes ... Hekate Oct 2019 #41
I can't wait for the SNL skit on this. The writers have never had it so easy. OMGWTF Oct 2019 #20
Perhaps it's just a coincidence Major Nikon Oct 2019 #23
Doesn't this trendline start back in the 70's? Or before counting mean old daddy. erronis Oct 2019 #31
Looks like the Honorable Elijah Cummings has already gone to work in heaven. ancianita Oct 2019 #26
My thoughts EXACTLY. MFGsunny Oct 2019 #55
Sounds like disinfo intrepidity Oct 2019 #29
"We need a few hundred thousand" kentuck Oct 2019 #35
This really doesn't sound like a guy who.... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #36
My gods: he's the court jester for the Mad King Hekate Oct 2019 #37
I must be getting punch-drunk- The title of this post sent me into fits of tears-down-face laughter. NBachers Oct 2019 #38
Holy Cow. This could be of interest to prosecutors. Giuliani destroys himself with a butt dial. yellowcanine Oct 2019 #42
NOT the Onion! yellowcanine Oct 2019 #43
Guliani talking out of his ass again. Historic NY Oct 2019 #46
Bwahahaha! Blue Owl Oct 2019 #48
As a complete ass, warmfeet Oct 2019 #49
Giuliani has claimed to be a "security consultant," but he doesn't have a lock screen on his phone? CaptainTruth Oct 2019 #52
Sounds like nothing to me. doc03 Oct 2019 #53
Why is it that these clowns remind me more and more of the Keystone Kops? Frustratedlady Oct 2019 #54
#ButtHisVoicemails is trending on twitter DesertRat Oct 2019 #56
Kick! Cha Oct 2019 #57

fleur-de-lisa

(14,627 posts)
1. In a separate butt-dial call:
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 03:20 PM
Oct 2019

Giuliani spends the entire three minutes railing against the Bidens. He can be heard recycling many of the unfounded allegations he has been making on cable news and in interviews with print reporters.

Among the claims: that then-Vice President Biden intervened to stop an investigation of a Ukrainian gas company because Hunter sat on the board, and that Hunter traded on his father’s position as vice president to earn $1.5 billion from Chinese investors.

“There’s plenty more to come out,” Giuliani says. “He did the same thing in China. And he tried to do it in Kazakhstan and in Russia.”

“It’s a sad situation,” he adds. “You know how they get? Biden has been been trading in on his public office since he was a senator.”

Shortly after, Giuliani turns to Hunter Biden. “When he became vice president, the kid decided to go around the world and say, ‘Hire me because I’m Joe Biden’s son.’ And most people wouldn’t hire him because he had a drug problem.”

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. "So the big turning point in your screen play is one of the bad guys butt-dials a reporter?"
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 03:20 PM
Oct 2019

Get the fuck outta here! No audience is going to believe that! It's worse than when you tried to name your tabloid editor "Pecker."

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
12. So, he runs a security consulting company; repeatedly butt-dials reporters and blabs god-knows-what
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:01 PM
Oct 2019

Sounds good, where can I get some of this security!?

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
51. Yeah, it's clear that the writers for the prestige drama that we're all living in...
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 06:24 PM
Oct 2019

... have blown past the most recent book in the authors series and are totally winging it at this point.

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
27. good thing
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:45 PM
Oct 2019

good thing it wasn't Trump's lard ass doing the Butt Call, the poor phone would be smashed to smithereens......

Rhiannon12866

(205,506 posts)
11. Ali Velshi just had the reporter on his MSNBC show and played part of the call
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 03:58 PM
Oct 2019

I expect we'll be hearing much more about this. Trump isn't the only one who has gone over the edge...

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
13. I was gonna turn on the TV
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:07 PM
Oct 2019

but decided to wait. But as soon as I saw this I was like - where's the blaring headlines on this story????? Now you made me turn the TV on.

Rhiannon12866

(205,506 posts)
17. Nicolle Wallace is on now and she's always great and has a good panel too
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:18 PM
Oct 2019

I didn't much like her initially since she worked for W, but she's grown on me and hers is one show I usually watch. She said she gave up on the Republicans when Sarah Palin was nominated and she now speaks out as much as anyone, as does her panel, and she often has breaking news.

renate

(13,776 posts)
18. I record it every day now
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:25 PM
Oct 2019

I really like her show a LOT. I like that she gets right to the panel instead of doing a monologue (I do like Rachel's monologues), and I like her guests, and I like her. I like that they have a giggle sometimes about what morons the GOP are. Her show is lighter in spirit than a lot of others, which I actually like in these dark days.

Rhiannon12866

(205,506 posts)
30. Yes, hers is my favorite in the afternoons now.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:50 PM
Oct 2019

And you're right, she goes straight to what's going on and she has appropriate guests there to discuss it. And she doesn't hold back on criticizing the Republicans in no uncertain terms now, LOL. In fact, she has said that she refrains from showing Trump footage on her show - which I appreciate!

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
21. If I am going to turn it on,
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:30 PM
Oct 2019

I usually wait until Ari @ 6 but with all the stuff that keeps coming out, I have turned it on a bit earlier with Schmuck, but rarely have it on this early with Nicolle.

(they all usually rotate the contributors and analysts across most of the shows anyway)

Rhiannon12866

(205,506 posts)
33. Ari is another favorite of mine
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:55 PM
Oct 2019

He's a lawyer and is good at explaining the issues we're facing - and he often has Maya Wiley, also very savvy and another favorite of mine. I don't usually catch him since I mostly leave the house by 6:30 - I wish that they'd repeat his show late nights rather than Brian Williams 3x!

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
34. I do like Maya
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:59 PM
Oct 2019

She is sharp as a tack!

And yeah, they seem to only repeat the "prime time" shows (Chris, Rachel, Lawrence, and Brian) - at least when I listen on SirusXM.

Rhiannon12866

(205,506 posts)
45. They used to show a second repeat of Rachel, which made sense
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 05:38 PM
Oct 2019

Since I believe it's their highest rated show. But they replaced it awhile back with yet another repeat of Brian Williams and, for me, once is enough - though he's been speaking out pretty forcefully recently too!

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
47. LOL
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 05:49 PM
Oct 2019

I'm not normally up when he finally comes on but sometimes I'll have my SiriusXM radio turned on MSNBC while in bed and may intermittently be lucid enough to hear him... But agree that once is enough!

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
39. Even Chuck Todd is showing signs of life lately
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 05:13 PM
Oct 2019

he appears to be getting so fed up with GOPee BS that he has reduced "both siderism" to the point that I can watch him sometimes for an entire show without turning off the teevee.

I like Nicole but she still has a blind spot for chimpy.

Rhiannon12866

(205,506 posts)
40. I agree, he's definitely improved, he pretty much lost it with that Republican senator recently
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 05:20 PM
Oct 2019

Which absolutely shows how bad it's gotten! :

And you're right, Nicolle still has a soft spot for her "old boss" as she calls him. Though I have to give her credit for seeing the light long before the "never Trumpers."

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
14. What kind of world do these people inhabit
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:08 PM
Oct 2019

where you call someone and ask for a few hundred thousand dollars to make up stuff?

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
25. Perfect description
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:44 PM
Oct 2019

That's exactly what I've been calling it......maybe it will catch on and we both will become famous icons.......

Response to fleur-de-lisa (Original post)

jayschool2013

(2,312 posts)
24. Releasing it to the public without corroborating what it means?
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:34 PM
Oct 2019

Or calling Rudy and asking wtf? Probably not.

Response to jayschool2013 (Reply #24)

erronis

(15,303 posts)
28. So if Joe Bloe gets a VM from some idiot, can't he disseminate it?
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:49 PM
Oct 2019

I'm not sure that this is journalism ethics or more of privacy concerns.

Some states require both parties to agree to be recorded.

With VMs, the calling party is (tacitly?) giving approval for his/her voice to be recorded. And the recipient is approving by even having the VM feature. Guess this works for cams that are left broadcasting...

I doubt that there are any laws that state that a party that has legitimately obtained a recording can't redistribute it.

Well, except for that shitty DRM/etc. which can't apply here.

So broadcast away. I'm sure it's already on thousands of audio channels already.

Obligatory and nonsensical: IANAL or anything else.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
41. #1 The journo did not ask for this #2 It's on his answering machine & not just notes ...
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 05:22 PM
Oct 2019

#3 Because of #1 it's not entrapment. #4 Note the delay between the recording and publication while the reporter lines up all his facts.

This is journalistic gold that has dropped into his lap, and yes, it is both legal and ethical to use it.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
23. Perhaps it's just a coincidence
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 04:31 PM
Oct 2019

But there just seems to be a trend with Trump’s crooked lawyers, influence peddling, and access to Trump by criminals.

Anyone else notice that?

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
55. My thoughts EXACTLY.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 06:38 PM
Oct 2019

As his life bore witness ....... Elijah Cummings must also have said this time :: "SEND ME!"

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
35. "We need a few hundred thousand"
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 05:01 PM
Oct 2019

Does that mean they were looking for more than dirt on Joe Biden?

Like $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
36. This really doesn't sound like a guy who....
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 05:02 PM
Oct 2019

is looking over his shoulder expecting an arrest and indictment.

It sounds like someone who knows he won't be touched, and is going full speed ahead doing the very same thing he should be in jail for a long time ago.

It's like he has a carte blanche from the king!

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
42. Holy Cow. This could be of interest to prosecutors. Giuliani destroys himself with a butt dial.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 05:26 PM
Oct 2019

Fitting end to the week.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
54. Why is it that these clowns remind me more and more of the Keystone Kops?
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 06:33 PM
Oct 2019

One foul-up and/or bad decision after another.

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