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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rudy-giuliani-butt-dials-nbc-reporter-heard-discussing-need-cash-n1071901Oct. 25, 2019, 1:42 PM CDT / Updated Oct. 25, 2019, 2:02 PM CDT; By Rich Schapiro
Late in the evening on Oct. 16, Rudy Giuliani made a phone call to this reporter. The fact that Giuliani was reaching out wasnt remarkable. He and the reporter had spoken earlier that night for a story about his ties to a fringe Iranian opposition group. But this call, it would soon become clear, wasnt a typical case of a source following up with a reporter. The call came in at 11:07 p.m. and went to voicemail; the reporter was asleep.
The next morning, a message exactly three minutes long was sitting in his voicemail. In the recording, the words tumbling out of Giulianis mouth were not directed at the reporter. He was speaking to someone else, someone in the same room. The call appeared to be one of the most unfortunate of faux pas: what is known, in casual parlance, as a butt dial. And it wasnt the first time it had happened.
You know, Giuliani says at the start of the recording. Charles would have a hard time with a fraud case cause he didnt do any due diligence.
It wasnt clear who Charles is, or who may have been implicated in a fraud. In fact, much of the messages first minute is difficult to comprehend, in part because the voice of the other man in the conversation is muffled and barely intelligible. But then Giuliani says something thats crystal clear.
"Let's get back to business." He goes on.
"I gotta get you to get on Bahrain." Giuliani is well-connected in the Kingdom of Bahrain.
Last December, he visited the Persian Gulf nation and had a one-on-one meeting with King Hamad Bin Isa al-Khalifa in the royal palace. King receives high-level U.S. delegation, read the headline of the state-run Bahrain News Agency blurb about the visit.
Giuliani runs a security consulting company, but its not clear why he would have a meeting with Bahrains king. Was he acting in his capacity as a consultant? As Trumps lawyer? Or as an international fixer running a shadow foreign policy for the president?
In May, Giuliani told the Daily Beast his firm had signed a deal with Bahrain to advise its police force on counter-terrorism measures. But the Bahrain News Agency account of the meeting suggested Giuliani was viewed more like an ambassador than a security consultant. HM the King praised the longstanding Bahraini-U.S. relations, noting keenness of the two countries to constantly develop them, it said.
The voicemail yielded no details about the meeting. But Giuliani can be heard telling the man that hes got to call Robert again tomorrow.
Is Robert around? Giuliani asks.
Hes in Turkey, the man responds.
Giuliani replies instantly. The problem is we need some money.
The two men then go silent. Nine seconds pass. No word is spoken. Then Giuliani chimes in again.
We need a few hundred thousand, he says.
Its unclear what the two men were talking about. But Giuliani is known to have worked closely with a Robert who has ties to Turkey.
His name is Robert Mangas, and hes a lawyer at the firm Greenberg Traurig LLP, as well as a registered agent of the Turkish government. Giuliani himself was employed by Greenberg Traurig until about May 2018.
Mangass name appears in court documents related to the case of Reza Zarrab, a Turkish gold trader charged in the U.S. with laundering Iranian money in a scheme to evade American sanctions. Giuliani was brought on to assist Zarrab in 2017. He traveled to Turkey with his former law partner Michael Mukasey and attempted to strike a deal with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to secure the release of their jailed client, alarming the federal prosecutor leading the case. Giuliani and Mangas were both employed by Greenberg Traurig at the time. The firm and Mangas had registered with the Justice Department to lobby the U.S. government on behalf of Turkey, according to an affidavit from Mangas.
Mangas did not return a request for comment.
Giulianis conversation partner can be heard responding to the "few hundred thousand" comment. But its possible to make out only the beginning of his answer, and even that is somewhat garbled.
Id say even if Bahrain could get, Im not sure how good [unintelligible words] with his people, the man says.
Yeah, okay, Giuliani says.
You want options? I got options, the man says.
Yeah give me options, Giuliani replies.
The exchange took place at the 2:20 mark in the voicemail message. The other man does most of the talking in the remaining 40 seconds, and its difficult to piece together what he says.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,627 posts)Giuliani spends the entire three minutes railing against the Bidens. He can be heard recycling many of the unfounded allegations he has been making on cable news and in interviews with print reporters.
Among the claims: that then-Vice President Biden intervened to stop an investigation of a Ukrainian gas company because Hunter sat on the board, and that Hunter traded on his fathers position as vice president to earn $1.5 billion from Chinese investors.
Theres plenty more to come out, Giuliani says. He did the same thing in China. And he tried to do it in Kazakhstan and in Russia.
Its a sad situation, he adds. You know how they get? Biden has been been trading in on his public office since he was a senator.
Shortly after, Giuliani turns to Hunter Biden. When he became vice president, the kid decided to go around the world and say, Hire me because Im Joe Bidens son. And most people wouldnt hire him because he had a drug problem.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Get the fuck outta here! No audience is going to believe that! It's worse than when you tried to name your tabloid editor "Pecker."
fleur-de-lisa
(14,627 posts)flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)Sounds good, where can I get some of this security!?
OMGWTF
(3,959 posts)TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Salviati
(6,008 posts)... have blown past the most recent book in the authors series and are totally winging it at this point.
ret5hd
(20,499 posts)FM123
(10,053 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,835 posts)good thing it wasn't Trump's lard ass doing the Butt Call, the poor phone would be smashed to smithereens......
Native
(5,942 posts)nolabear
(41,987 posts)Theyd challenge anything thats not.
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)YES, I BELIEVE IT IS!!
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)Kitchari
(2,166 posts)But TWICE
Rhiannon12866
(205,506 posts)I expect we'll be hearing much more about this. Trump isn't the only one who has gone over the edge...
BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)but decided to wait. But as soon as I saw this I was like - where's the blaring headlines on this story????? Now you made me turn the TV on.
Rhiannon12866
(205,506 posts)I didn't much like her initially since she worked for W, but she's grown on me and hers is one show I usually watch. She said she gave up on the Republicans when Sarah Palin was nominated and she now speaks out as much as anyone, as does her panel, and she often has breaking news.
renate
(13,776 posts)I really like her show a LOT. I like that she gets right to the panel instead of doing a monologue (I do like Rachel's monologues), and I like her guests, and I like her. I like that they have a giggle sometimes about what morons the GOP are. Her show is lighter in spirit than a lot of others, which I actually like in these dark days.
Rhiannon12866
(205,506 posts)And you're right, she goes straight to what's going on and she has appropriate guests there to discuss it. And she doesn't hold back on criticizing the Republicans in no uncertain terms now, LOL. In fact, she has said that she refrains from showing Trump footage on her show - which I appreciate!
BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)I usually wait until Ari @ 6 but with all the stuff that keeps coming out, I have turned it on a bit earlier with Schmuck, but rarely have it on this early with Nicolle.
(they all usually rotate the contributors and analysts across most of the shows anyway)
Rhiannon12866
(205,506 posts)He's a lawyer and is good at explaining the issues we're facing - and he often has Maya Wiley, also very savvy and another favorite of mine. I don't usually catch him since I mostly leave the house by 6:30 - I wish that they'd repeat his show late nights rather than Brian Williams 3x!
BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)She is sharp as a tack!
And yeah, they seem to only repeat the "prime time" shows (Chris, Rachel, Lawrence, and Brian) - at least when I listen on SirusXM.
Rhiannon12866
(205,506 posts)Since I believe it's their highest rated show. But they replaced it awhile back with yet another repeat of Brian Williams and, for me, once is enough - though he's been speaking out pretty forcefully recently too!
BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)I'm not normally up when he finally comes on but sometimes I'll have my SiriusXM radio turned on MSNBC while in bed and may intermittently be lucid enough to hear him... But agree that once is enough!
not fooled
(5,801 posts)he appears to be getting so fed up with GOPee BS that he has reduced "both siderism" to the point that I can watch him sometimes for an entire show without turning off the teevee.
I like Nicole but she still has a blind spot for chimpy.
Rhiannon12866
(205,506 posts)Which absolutely shows how bad it's gotten! :
And you're right, Nicolle still has a soft spot for her "old boss" as she calls him. Though I have to give her credit for seeing the light long before the "never Trumpers."
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)where you call someone and ask for a few hundred thousand dollars to make up stuff?
triron
(22,007 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,835 posts)That's exactly what I've been calling it......maybe it will catch on and we both will become famous icons.......
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jayschool2013
(2,312 posts)Or calling Rudy and asking wtf? Probably not.
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erronis
(15,303 posts)I'm not sure that this is journalism ethics or more of privacy concerns.
Some states require both parties to agree to be recorded.
With VMs, the calling party is (tacitly?) giving approval for his/her voice to be recorded. And the recipient is approving by even having the VM feature. Guess this works for cams that are left broadcasting...
I doubt that there are any laws that state that a party that has legitimately obtained a recording can't redistribute it.
Well, except for that shitty DRM/etc. which can't apply here.
So broadcast away. I'm sure it's already on thousands of audio channels already.
Obligatory and nonsensical: IANAL or anything else.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)#3 Because of #1 it's not entrapment. #4 Note the delay between the recording and publication while the reporter lines up all his facts.
This is journalistic gold that has dropped into his lap, and yes, it is both legal and ethical to use it.
OMGWTF
(3,959 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)But there just seems to be a trend with Trumps crooked lawyers, influence peddling, and access to Trump by criminals.
Anyone else notice that?
erronis
(15,303 posts)ancianita
(36,095 posts)MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)As his life bore witness ....... Elijah Cummings must also have said this time :: "SEND ME!"
intrepidity
(7,307 posts)Feels too contrived.
kentuck
(111,103 posts)Does that mean they were looking for more than dirt on Joe Biden?
Like $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)is looking over his shoulder expecting an arrest and indictment.
It sounds like someone who knows he won't be touched, and is going full speed ahead doing the very same thing he should be in jail for a long time ago.
It's like he has a carte blanche from the king!
Hekate
(90,714 posts)Jingle jingle jingle
NBachers
(17,122 posts)yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Fitting end to the week.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Historic NY
(37,451 posts)Blue Owl
(50,427 posts)warmfeet
(3,321 posts)he can only butt-dial.
CaptainTruth
(6,594 posts)doc03
(35,348 posts)Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)One foul-up and/or bad decision after another.