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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 12:27 PM Oct 2019

Biggest PG&E Shutoff Yet May Black Out 2.5 Million Californians

PG&E (Pacific Gas and Electric ) Corp. is preparing to cut power to an estimated 2.5 million Californians in what would be the state’s largest -- and potentially longest -- deliberate blackout ever.

The bankrupt utility giant is warning the lights may go off in about 850,000 homes and businesses across Northern California -- including parts of Oakland, Berkeley and other San Francisco Bay Area cities -- as it tries to keep power lines from igniting wildfires during a wind storm. The shutoff would hit almost one-tenth of California’s population and spread to nearly 20% of the utility’s total customers, spanning 36 counties. The city of San Francisco is expected to be spared.

The weekend wind storm “has the potential to be one of the strongest in the last several years,” PG&E meteorologist Scott Strenfel said. “We absolutely must be prepared for it.”

It will be the third time this month that PG&E has resorted to mass blackouts to avoid wildfires. The San Francisco-based company has been taking more extreme measures since its equipment sparked blazes in 2017 and 2018, saddling it with an estimated $30 billion in liabilities and forcing it into bankruptcy. The recent widespread shutoffs, however, have led to a debate over how far California is willing to go to prevent fires during windstorms. Despite the power cuts, fires continue to burn.

In Southern California, Edison International is warning that it may cut service to more than 132,000 customers. Further south in the San Diego area, Sempra Energy said it’s monitoring weather forecasts.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pg-e-warns-biggest-blackout-210427640.html

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Biggest PG&E Shutoff Yet May Black Out 2.5 Million Californians (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Oct 2019 OP
I hate blackouts. But I hate wildfires more. Auggie Oct 2019 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Oct 2019 #2
Why so many wild fires in CA? at140 Oct 2019 #3
Fuel. Dense dry vegetation, Baby. Brother Buzz Oct 2019 #8
AZ doesn't have massive building development in areas where wildfires occur. former9thward Oct 2019 #17
Which tells me CA housing is encroaching at140 Oct 2019 #21
Last night winds were .4 mph and 0 mph CountAllVotes Oct 2019 #4
In fairness, the winds that are the issue are NOT at YOUR property where you are losing Eliot Rosewater Oct 2019 #5
Excellent points left-of-center2012 Oct 2019 #6
It's an extortion scheme for the energy companies. MineralMan Oct 2019 #7
It's PG&E not wanting to be held liable again for starting a wildfire. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #9
Extortion. They want to be free not to follow the law. MineralMan Oct 2019 #12
Bingo wryter2000 Oct 2019 #14
Not expected to be back on until at least Monday afternoon. We're heading up to Oregon until then. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #10
What about home medical equipment? left-of-center2012 Oct 2019 #11
Those without generators will need to seek out emergency shelters. Garrett78 Oct 2019 #15
Gosh wryter2000 Oct 2019 #16
Medical baseline users CountAllVotes Oct 2019 #18
Here we go again wryter2000 Oct 2019 #13
WTF? moondust Oct 2019 #19
electric vehicles will have trouble finding a source to "fill up". IcyPeas Oct 2019 #20
I have asked about what is at the basis of the problem, and Blue_true Oct 2019 #22
People building far back in the deep woods, poor forrest mgmt and opposition to controlled burns Baclava Oct 2019 #23
I see so many trees with internal rot that I have become paranoid about trees. Blue_true Oct 2019 #24

Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)

Brother Buzz

(36,448 posts)
8. Fuel. Dense dry vegetation, Baby.
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 12:51 PM
Oct 2019

That, and rugged terrain that makes accessibility really, really difficult.

Drier is subjective, inland California is just as dry as Arizona in the dry season.

former9thward

(32,030 posts)
17. AZ doesn't have massive building development in areas where wildfires occur.
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 01:49 PM
Oct 2019

CA does. You would not be hearing about these fires if there were no homes there.

at140

(6,110 posts)
21. Which tells me CA housing is encroaching
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 03:02 PM
Oct 2019

wilderness areas instead of denser urban setting.
Transportation, utilities infra-structure, pollution caused by long commute by cars etc is reduced by denser urban setting.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
5. In fairness, the winds that are the issue are NOT at YOUR property where you are losing
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 12:35 PM
Oct 2019

power if you are.

It is the winds up in the foothills where your power comes from, those lines if left on can catch fire up there and so to prevent that they turn the lines off which results in you having no power. YOUR house may be 100 miles from where they are turning it off.

Having said that, they will continue to do this until the bankruptcy judge and the state give them immunity.

Write your state rep. tell them to give PGE what they want in the short run otherwise your life will be hell. Worry about holding them accountable later, need power now.

MineralMan

(146,319 posts)
7. It's an extortion scheme for the energy companies.
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 12:46 PM
Oct 2019

It targets consumers directly, and legislators indirectly.

The energy companies are saying:

Want Reliable Electricity?
We can't afford to supply it without raising our rates, see.

Nice Oxygen Generator Grandma Has There
We wouldn't want nothin' should happen to your Grandma,
but you'll need to pay higher rates to keep it running, see.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
9. It's PG&E not wanting to be held liable again for starting a wildfire.
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 12:53 PM
Oct 2019

Because they haven't properly maintained their damn lines. Where I live in Northern California there's a dormant power plant. It's time to get it up and running again.

MineralMan

(146,319 posts)
12. Extortion. They want to be free not to follow the law.
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 12:57 PM
Oct 2019

And they're threatening their own consumers to put pressure on legislators. Of course, they'll need higher rates, too, to pay for "needed updates."

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
14. Bingo
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 01:20 PM
Oct 2019

“You want to sue us? May we remind you who can turn off your power? For days at a time if we feel like it.”

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
13. Here we go again
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 01:17 PM
Oct 2019

How do I convince these fuckers that we don’t have wildfires at 106th and MacArthur? And if I’m on the same “grid” as the hills, separate us.

I hope every small business that loses money sues their ass.

moondust

(19,994 posts)
19. WTF?
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 02:23 PM
Oct 2019

I recall long spells of very dry weather in CA maybe a decade ago but the fires and blackouts weren't anywhere near this bad. Is the electrical grid just getting old and failing? Are some Dumpian nutcases going around setting them?

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
22. I have asked about what is at the basis of the problem, and
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 08:14 PM
Oct 2019

even people that live in California and should hear directly have not provided any useful information other than the power company is blacking out power to avoid fires. The national media has been about as useful as tits on a bull in providing insight.

So I am fucking left to guess. My guess is that due to demand for power and poor placement of generating plants, PG&E is having to overload high voltage transmission lines, causing them to run the risk of sparking. The obvious solution would be to build more power generating plants nearer users, easier said than done. Another possible solution would be to fucking replace antiquated high voltage lines with ones that can handle high loads without starting wildfires, but that too is enormously costly and not done overnight.

My feeling is that both PG&E AND State regulators are to blame, along with politicians. As the population of a region grows, facilities like power lines and adequate housing should be constantly reevaluated, with timely adjustments being made. Waiting until systems are overloaded leads to just what seems to be happening.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
23. People building far back in the deep woods, poor forrest mgmt and opposition to controlled burns
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 08:38 PM
Oct 2019

Everybody wants a house surrounded by tall tress, they look pretty. Nobody wants any trees cut down or the woods cleared out to prevent mega fires.

Overdevelopment in the most inaccessible sites possible has been going on for many decades.

Winds bring down limbs which take out power lines which spark and cause fires, there is no simple solution

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
24. I see so many trees with internal rot that I have become paranoid about trees.
Sat Oct 26, 2019, 09:12 PM
Oct 2019

I can spot the rotting even on ones that are standing. I have gotten to the point where I don't put stuff under trees and I am alert to loud cracks at night (though I have no idea what I will do if a 20 ton tree is falling on my house).

One thing that exist in our country that many places don't have, we are into open space around homes, many places have densely populated cities. But climate change is bringing disasters to areas of the world that once seemed immune to them. I guess Nature is slipping on it's glove while looking at us and saying "so you thought it was a good idea to mess with ME!!!?"

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