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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBiggest PG&E Shutoff Yet May Black Out 2.5 Million Californians
PG&E (Pacific Gas and Electric ) Corp. is preparing to cut power to an estimated 2.5 million Californians in what would be the states largest -- and potentially longest -- deliberate blackout ever.
The bankrupt utility giant is warning the lights may go off in about 850,000 homes and businesses across Northern California -- including parts of Oakland, Berkeley and other San Francisco Bay Area cities -- as it tries to keep power lines from igniting wildfires during a wind storm. The shutoff would hit almost one-tenth of Californias population and spread to nearly 20% of the utilitys total customers, spanning 36 counties. The city of San Francisco is expected to be spared.
The weekend wind storm has the potential to be one of the strongest in the last several years, PG&E meteorologist Scott Strenfel said. We absolutely must be prepared for it.
It will be the third time this month that PG&E has resorted to mass blackouts to avoid wildfires. The San Francisco-based company has been taking more extreme measures since its equipment sparked blazes in 2017 and 2018, saddling it with an estimated $30 billion in liabilities and forcing it into bankruptcy. The recent widespread shutoffs, however, have led to a debate over how far California is willing to go to prevent fires during windstorms. Despite the power cuts, fires continue to burn.
In Southern California, Edison International is warning that it may cut service to more than 132,000 customers. Further south in the San Diego area, Sempra Energy said its monitoring weather forecasts.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pg-e-warns-biggest-blackout-210427640.html
Auggie
(31,174 posts)Response to left-of-center2012 (Original post)
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at140
(6,110 posts)Arizona is hotter and drier than CA but don't hear of so many wild fires.
Brother Buzz
(36,448 posts)That, and rugged terrain that makes accessibility really, really difficult.
Drier is subjective, inland California is just as dry as Arizona in the dry season.
former9thward
(32,030 posts)CA does. You would not be hearing about these fires if there were no homes there.
at140
(6,110 posts)wilderness areas instead of denser urban setting.
Transportation, utilities infra-structure, pollution caused by long commute by cars etc is reduced by denser urban setting.
CountAllVotes
(20,876 posts)Some gusts aren't they?
FUCKERS.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)power if you are.
It is the winds up in the foothills where your power comes from, those lines if left on can catch fire up there and so to prevent that they turn the lines off which results in you having no power. YOUR house may be 100 miles from where they are turning it off.
Having said that, they will continue to do this until the bankruptcy judge and the state give them immunity.
Write your state rep. tell them to give PGE what they want in the short run otherwise your life will be hell. Worry about holding them accountable later, need power now.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)MineralMan
(146,319 posts)It targets consumers directly, and legislators indirectly.
The energy companies are saying:
Want Reliable Electricity?
We can't afford to supply it without raising our rates, see.
Nice Oxygen Generator Grandma Has There
We wouldn't want nothin' should happen to your Grandma,
but you'll need to pay higher rates to keep it running, see.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Because they haven't properly maintained their damn lines. Where I live in Northern California there's a dormant power plant. It's time to get it up and running again.
MineralMan
(146,319 posts)And they're threatening their own consumers to put pressure on legislators. Of course, they'll need higher rates, too, to pay for "needed updates."
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)You want to sue us? May we remind you who can turn off your power? For days at a time if we feel like it.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Like oxygen concetrators for breathing that depend on electricity for power?
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)wryter2000
(46,051 posts)Thats just too bad. Make other plans
CountAllVotes
(20,876 posts)They don't care do they?
Just go ahead and die already!
PG&E SUCKS!!
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)How do I convince these fuckers that we dont have wildfires at 106th and MacArthur? And if Im on the same grid as the hills, separate us.
I hope every small business that loses money sues their ass.
moondust
(19,994 posts)I recall long spells of very dry weather in CA maybe a decade ago but the fires and blackouts weren't anywhere near this bad. Is the electrical grid just getting old and failing? Are some Dumpian nutcases going around setting them?
IcyPeas
(21,894 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)even people that live in California and should hear directly have not provided any useful information other than the power company is blacking out power to avoid fires. The national media has been about as useful as tits on a bull in providing insight.
So I am fucking left to guess. My guess is that due to demand for power and poor placement of generating plants, PG&E is having to overload high voltage transmission lines, causing them to run the risk of sparking. The obvious solution would be to build more power generating plants nearer users, easier said than done. Another possible solution would be to fucking replace antiquated high voltage lines with ones that can handle high loads without starting wildfires, but that too is enormously costly and not done overnight.
My feeling is that both PG&E AND State regulators are to blame, along with politicians. As the population of a region grows, facilities like power lines and adequate housing should be constantly reevaluated, with timely adjustments being made. Waiting until systems are overloaded leads to just what seems to be happening.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)Everybody wants a house surrounded by tall tress, they look pretty. Nobody wants any trees cut down or the woods cleared out to prevent mega fires.
Overdevelopment in the most inaccessible sites possible has been going on for many decades.
Winds bring down limbs which take out power lines which spark and cause fires, there is no simple solution
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I can spot the rotting even on ones that are standing. I have gotten to the point where I don't put stuff under trees and I am alert to loud cracks at night (though I have no idea what I will do if a 20 ton tree is falling on my house).
One thing that exist in our country that many places don't have, we are into open space around homes, many places have densely populated cities. But climate change is bringing disasters to areas of the world that once seemed immune to them. I guess Nature is slipping on it's glove while looking at us and saying "so you thought it was a good idea to mess with ME!!!?"