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No, I Do Not 'Respect the Office of the Presidency'
Of course a renegade president* should be heckled at a baseball game. It's the least we can do.
BY CHARLES P. PIERCE
OCT 28, 2019
I never have seen a politician yet who wasn't booed if he or she showed up at the ballpark. But, I have to admit, the reception given to El Caudillo del Mar-a-Lago at the World Series on Monday night in Washington, D.C., was a remarkable exercise of the First Amendment right to deliver the ol' bazoo. And the "Lock him up!" chant was a sauce for the goose moment to end all sauce for the goose moments. Nobody who sat through the orgy of unbridled hate in Cleveland in 2016 could see it as anything but a comeuppance richly deserved.
But the Civility Police never sleep. By Monday morning, a panel convened on Morning Joe was deploring the whole scene, and Democratic Senator Chris Coons of Delaware had found something to meep about on CNN....
But Coons's argument is one I've heard all too often in my lifetime, very often as a dodge for inexcusable conduct and outright crimes. "Respect for the office" is a self-governing citizen's sin of idolatry. In that context, the Presidency is a graven image. Why should I respect the office of the president when the occupant so clearly doesn't? Why should I respect the office of the president when it serves as a clubhouse for cheap crooks and mountebanks? Guns don't kill people, we hear after every mass shooting, only people kill people. So, The Presidency doesn't commit crimes, only presidents do?
In my lifetime alone, from The Office of the Presidency, I have seen mass murder from the skies, torture, the overthrow of governments, burglaries and the cover-up of same, the selling of missiles to a terrorist state and the cover-up of same, the arming of distant murderers, and that was all before this president* even got thereand even he, with his exceedingly dim wits, saw the potential for high crimes that long had become inherent in the office.
So, no, I don't Respect The Office any more (or less) than I respect the Congress or the federal judiciary or the Department of Agriculture, for all that. Right now, all over the world, from Lebanon to Chile, hundreds of thousands of people are in the streets demanding a voice in their governments. Capital cities are being shut down. And we're all supposed to be alarmed that a renegade president* got heckled at a baseball game? For a country founded through acts of unruly dissent, that's as mild as milk.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a29610218/trump-heckled-world-series-respect-office-presidency/
3catwoman3
(24,054 posts)Perfectly summed up in a single, pithy sentence.
bdamomma
(63,923 posts)he doesn't respect anything that this country stands for.
RVN VET71
(2,698 posts)the s.o.b. who betrayed his country and its constitution to steal it.
Would these buttholes have said the same thing had a crowd of Germans in 1933 booed Hitler? "Oh, we may disagree with his politics, but its the Office of the Chancellor and must be respected?"
Jesus, are you all wore out weeping yet?
Hekate
(90,837 posts)Jarqui
(10,130 posts)Trump deserves it
malaise
(269,188 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,330 posts)Trump doesn't respect the majority of people living in this country. Why should they respect him?
bdamomma
(63,923 posts)nt
calimary
(81,514 posts)There isnt a legitimately elected president occupying it.
Were all under occupation right now.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,447 posts)Yes! We are battling an insurgency of extremists who are hell-bent on destroying democracy.
iluvtennis
(19,876 posts)he's wrong. RESPECT is earned. To get respect, you have to give respect. trump doesn't respect American institutions and norms, so he get no respect from me.
mcar
(42,376 posts)Some in the media and even some Democrats are arguing that point. It's ridiculous.
iluvtennis
(19,876 posts)in the last 2 1/2 years.
MurrayDelph
(5,301 posts)Why is it only during Republican administrations that we are told we have to show respect for the Office of the President
(even if we hate the ass sitting in the chair)?
mcar
(42,376 posts)Republicans sure as hell didn't respect the office when Obama was in it.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)Anyone who believes anything that comes out of a republican's mouth lacks independent thinking. It almost seems as if to become a republican you have to be a natural liar and a hypocrite.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)but that the office of the president, given what many of its holders have perpetrated over the decades, does not deserve respect..just because it is the office of the president..
---And that in that case, and given what is happening and has happened throughout the world, what happened at the BB game is peanut shells on the floor..
Perseus
(4,341 posts)And like someone here said, respect is earned, whether you agree with that person or not, and it is obvious that the creature in the WH has not earned the respect of anyone. I don't even think republicans have respect for the creature, they seem to fear him, but that is not respect.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)Cry foul....
bdamomma
(63,923 posts)when the American people are waking up to the facts/paying attention.
blakstoneranger
(333 posts)It never fails, everytime trump gets whats coming to him, everybody wants to treat him like a baby whose being picked on. Always forgetting all the sh.....ttttt..tttt!! he's done to other people!!! How many times has he encouraged "lock her up!!" at almost every rally, meeting, or convention. Now we're supposed to show respect, PLEASE!!! DONT FORGET MR COONS, THE OFFICE OF SECRETARY OF STATE IS JUST AS DESERVING OF RESPECT AS THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY, WHERE WHERE YOU THEN? Mr Coons, where are you on impeaching this traitor? Will your feelings for trump change come vote time? It's times like these you find out who the republicans are in the democratic party.
kairos12
(12,875 posts)marlakay
(11,498 posts)Going on and on about how we should be praising him for the Isis guy killed like we are supposed to forget the million other deplorable things he has done!
From possibly raping a girl to allowing drilling in places where it will affect peoples water he has shown zero concern for the people and probably only tried hard to get this guy not because hes bad but because he wanted his moment in the sun.
He deserved every second of the booing and the lock him up every single second!
bdamomma
(63,923 posts)BS'ing, he's a freaking con idiot boy.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)We're in the midst of a constitutional crisis, and there's no room for letting the president off the hook. Not for one moment.
I resent the shaming of the spectators by chattering media personalities and politicians like Chris Coons. They must be of such high privilege that they will be protected even if the destruction of institutions continues.
Charles Pierce has it right, as he always does:
Wounded Bear
(58,721 posts)I am certainly not going to advocate that people treat Trump better than Repubs treated Pres Obama.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)and more important, a way to stifle free speech. They know they can't arrest us for booing or otherwise criticizing the president, so they try out the old "respect the office" canard. An office doesn't care about respect. An office is an idea, a label, a title. It certainly isn't a human being, who does care. As Trump certainly does; he looked briefly like he was almost in tears at the game last night (good!).
Of course, that goes for any elected official, but this crap is bandied about mainly about the presidency.
TNNurse
(6,929 posts)mcar
(42,376 posts)MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)The chants were about "Lock HIM up."
It was disgust being expressed at the individual. FULL STOP.
Let freedom ring!
LiberalLovinLug
(14,176 posts)Don't say anything bad about Ted Bundy or your are disrespecting the work of all the other suicide hotline workers!!
His only other notable job was working for the Republican party.....surprise surprise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy
Katinfl
(158 posts)I agree with Pierce 100%. Trump never gave Pres. Obama the respect he certainly deserved so spare me the outrage now. Get over it!
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,474 posts)mcar
(42,376 posts)rickyhall
(4,889 posts)MadLinguist
(790 posts)as to the who and the what of gun deaths is brilliant.
Teach-only-love
(73 posts)Don the Con has never done anything worthy of our respect.
BHDem53
(1,061 posts)dalton99a
(81,599 posts)I have more respect for manure.
RVN VET71
(2,698 posts)by refusing to enter the building until HST had left, Harry rightly condemned Ike for disrespecting the office of the president. But, then, Harry Truman wasn't put in office by Stalin or any other foreign dictator, so the office of the president did deserve respect and the deliberate insult Ike flung at him was undeserved, inappropriate, and beneath the dignity of a 5 Star General and newly installed president.
Booing Trump is just that: booing Trump. You don't like it? Tough.
Aussie105
(5,437 posts)But I'm also fine with disrespecting (and hating) the current office holder.
The two aren't the same thing.
Holding a title doesn't mean instant respect and co-operation is bestowed on the person. Maybe initially, but once you find out that person is an inappropriate placement, both fade quickly.
The next President of the US had better prove he is an intelligent, trustworthy person, with the interests of the people at heart.
Only that will restore the trust and co-operation of the people.
Trump's biggest mistake was to think the title was a magic cloak that hid all his shortcomings and gave him the power to do what he liked. Not so, neither are true.
oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)are two things I DO respect.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)Corgigal
(9,291 posts)a shit hole? Oh, Im sure his handlers scrubbed it but it still was circulated in the press a while back.
Im suppose to respect him? No, he respects us first.
Orrex
(63,225 posts)And I sure as shit am under no obligation to respect it more than that corrupt orange idiot racist fuckhead does.
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)tulipsandroses
(5,127 posts)This handwringing, pearl clutching going on today because Trump got what he justly deserved is ridiculous!
Respect the office the presidency? You have to be joking. This president does not respect the office, the citizens of this country, our laws, constitution, norms. Please do not demand respect from us the citizenry that feel like we are in a fight for survival -
Aussie105
(5,437 posts)the boos would have been accompanied by the throwing of much rotten fruit and vegetables. And the odd shoe.
Were the baseball fans not prewarned about the Orange Pustule's presence at the game, or are they the type of Americans who just don't eat vegetables or fruit?
mcar
(42,376 posts)The fruit would have pelted the windows and landed on real fans.
Good point, though!
Fla Dem
(23,765 posts)So I shouldn't say anything derogatory about a priest, minister or teacher even though they sexully assualted children? Yes those are highly respected positions which deserve respect, but the people who fill those respectable positions have to earn my respect. You don't automatically earn the cloak of respectability just because you warm a seat.
AllaN01Bear
(18,443 posts)i second what fla dem says as well. you earn respect, not demand it and it goes both ways .