I'm still driving the Honda I bought in 2002 and I cannot afford another car. I don't want another car.

This is hogwash, these people and their "needs".

What they need is to wake the hell up and get a taste of reality, reality meaning perhaps a life without any money much to live on and perhaps no health to go with the no money dare I suggest.

These "people" live in a faux world until reality hits them between the eyeballs. Sometimes they wake up but most of the time they don't.

They believe they deserve more for some reason.

I have my Master's degree. Maybe it isn't paying off but I have the damn thing and no one can take it away from me.

To hell with these arrogant idiots!

I had a conversation with one today over the internet. I ended up with a headache and the conversation ended on a very nasty note, But I got the last word after he revealed to me his racist tendencies by attempting to speak like he thinks black people speak.

with "I am note sure he was born here". That ends the conversation for me.

black. then he accused me of bringing race up, like that would shut me up. I should post some of it here, it really was halarious. I ended up telling him he sounded like an ignorant, southern pig fucker and that the writing style he was using reminded me of the man rapist in the movie "deliverence". that was the last I heard from him.

By doing that, you showed you were as bigoted against an entire region as he is against people of other races.

Just because people sound uneducated does not mean they're Southern.

I'm Southern and I'm very well versed. I know people from other regions who aren't and some who are.

If someone says ain't, cain't, or y'all, they're probably one of our pig fuckers. Youse, you people, eh?, right? like? etc means they're someone else's pig fucker.

I'm kidding of course.

No I did not show him I was bigoted against an entire region. I said ignorant, southern pig fucker. Southerners have a certain accent, just as People from the North east do. If he had attempted to speak with a Boston accent, I would have called him an ignorant North Eastern pig fucker. The only people I'm bigoted against are ignorant pig fuckers. Are you saying all southern people are ignorant pig fuckers? Or do you think there aren't ignorant people in the south? I don't understand why you took offense.

1. People make money.
2. People who make money spend money on things, which supports 1.

Then there are people, like Rmoney, who do a lot of step one but very little step two. These guys pretty much do nothing except suck millions of dollars out of the economy at a time. So a guy like him making $21 million a year will perhaps purchase a couple of Cadillacs. Or for that same $21 million a year, we could have 250 people in our economy earning $84,000 and purchasing 250 Cadillacs.

This system that we have now which rewards the Rmoneys of our economy with lifetimes of cash that they can sit on and count or pass amongst themselves is not sustainable. The math doesn't work. The uber rich simply do not consume enough to make up for all of the money they're sucking out of the economy. Plus as a side effect, they're trying to also minimize the wages of the consumer class, which further grinds the economy to a halt.

What they are trying to tell you is that they don't consider it to be relevant.

What they're trying to tell you is that they believe in survival of the richest, and of the most adept sycophants of the rich.

They'd just say not everyone can get a Masters Degree because not everyone can earn one so those people would work McDonald's. Probably throw in some libertarian BS too about how the market forces would make McDonalds be forced to pay more to get people to do the job

It sounds bad to say it like that, but this is what I've settled on after years of living in a RW area. They basically don't think most people are worth anything at all.

Three kinds of people: The worthless who don't work, don't want to work, live off of other people's work and the government and don't care what anyone thinks. To the RW, this is probably the majority of people.

Then there's the born-worthless who distinguish themselves by doing well in school and working hard, and once they have proven themselves "decent" (sometimes that takes awhile, as you never can be too sure) then they deserve their pay and are "ok".

Then there's the third type - which is self-identifying republicans. Those might be poor and lazy because the government screwed them over, but its not their fault, or they might be rich and lazy, but that's their inalienable right. They imagine that most things are rightfully theirs, and anyone else's rights (read "women, minorities, gays, immigrants, whoever&quot are their's to bestow or take away, as "this land is their land"...and so forth.

Condi's performance at the GOP convention reminded me of her 'mushroom cloud' statement and I can't imagine how she's able to sleep at night after what she did!

because they're sociopaths without any conscience.

Once upon a time we had another type of "masters degree" if you will. It was called "journeyman" and it was held by workers who had gone through an apprenticeship program and attained a level of skill at a trade. It was something to be proud of. There are still a few journeymen around in certain trades but their numbers are dwindling as the result of decades of the rethugs spitting, hissing and pissing at the idea that "common workers" should make a decent living from their labor.

They never stop to think that every time they flip a light switch and a light comes on, or turn a faucet and water comes out, or even when they sit down to shit in a clean restroom in their executive office that somebody WORKED to PROVIDE those things for them. But no, the very idea that the electrician that brought them the lights, the plumber that brought them the water and even the janitor that cleaned up their shitter should be paid some kind of a decent wage and benefits is offensive to them. They believe that they are somehow entitled to all these things for a pittance....even for free if they could get away with it.

My god, what I wouldn't give to see a nationwide general strike, to see them wake up without all the things they take for granted, and outside their doors, a couple hundred million screaming m'fers with picket signs telling them how it is and how it's gonna be. I'm not holding my breath for it to happen, but it's a beautiful dream, a dream I hold onto when times are the toughest.

Someday.....maybe....someday...

It began in the 80's, became a drumbeat in the 90's and just got worse: This meme that says every occupation that doesn't require an MBA is "unskilled labor"....and it's a crock of shit yet so many buy it through repetition.

They've done every damned thing they could do to erode the US industrial base AND it's support systems: Now they have the gall, the temerity, the absolute nerve; To complain about a shortage skilled blue collar work. Of course they just can't bring themselves to say "skilled" as that would justify offering enough compensation to actually attract new blood.

These fucks reaped what they sowed.

Right on!

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I asked, essentially, the same question here - http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021259094

The modern GOP - 'I have mine, or WILL have mine, someday, and could honestly not give a fuck whether YOU get yours, ever'.

when averaged over number of people working is roughly 100K for each working person. That said, 50% of us are paid less than 40K, 7% or so are paid 15K or less. In fact, actually receiving your evened slice of GDP (100K) puts you in roughly the top 10%. This is per worker, not per family, so for two earner families the evenly divided slice is 200K, kid has a part time job as well? 300K

I am not an advocate for levelling. That said, when you consider that the median two earner family income is roughly 50K, when an even slice of GDP is 200K, there is plenty of room for adjustment while leaving the wealthy still quite rich.

It is not about most of us trying to tighten our belts, live a bit cheaper or pay a bit more. Most of us are coming up well short of something even reasonably close to a fair share, the working poor only more so. In most industries, there is plenty of room to raise wages and benefits without an effect on consumer end price, if record profits are moderated just a bit. Chances are that doing it would result in more profits anyway from increased disposable income in the pockets in millions of consumers.

The wealth distribution has become so skewed that it is time a reasonable adjustment becomes policy. Done right, the rich would still get rich, but it would be slower and take longer, and mostly require them to actually create well paid jobs to do it.

gets a truer picture of how bad it is.

I live in the UK and the thinking here is exactly the same: Let's inspire our children to go to University and get a degree, let's have apprenticeships so they can learn a trade, let's encourage people to start their own business let's make everyone "the best they can be". Admirable! Great! Fantastic! NOW, let's explain to them that even after all that approx 80% of them will STILL end up stacking shelves or cleaning etc and earning the minimum wage, because more people are (and always have been) needed at that end of the market than dentists, doctors and CEOS etc The problem is that the average working person has NEVER been paid enough for this type of work, and, even though their work is STILL essential to life, it has always been undervalued. How on earth can they expect people to be inspired and motivated when the job they are doing is seen as menial and the money they are paid is just about enough to exist on?

Welcome to DU, westerby1.

Thanks for the welcome!