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BlueMTexpat

(15,374 posts)
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 04:04 AM Oct 2019

You're not going to believe what I'm about to tell you

Last edited Tue Oct 29, 2019, 05:34 AM - Edit history (3)

An interesting read from the USC Creativity and Brain Institute. Dial-up warning: it's heavy on pix.

https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

It graphically describes the backfire effect and how it works.

The backfire effect, aka confirmation bias: https://effectiviology.com/backfire-effect-facts-dont-change-minds/

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Oh, and about Washington's teeth, in case the first link startles you: https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/facts/washingtons-teeth/

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You're not going to believe what I'm about to tell you (Original Post) BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 OP
Your first link was very entertaining lunatica Oct 2019 #1
You got it! BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #3
I knew that. It's so funny you think I didn't know that! dchill Oct 2019 #2
(Just a note about links) William Seger Oct 2019 #4
Thanks for the tip, William. BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #5
Yes, they both work without that stuff William Seger Oct 2019 #7
I have loved the Oatmeal since he did the Tesla song. dewsgirl Oct 2019 #6
Never saw that before. Thanks! mountain grammy Oct 2019 #8
This one is really good too. dewsgirl Oct 2019 #10
Love it. Love It! mountain grammy Oct 2019 #12
Your welcome.😊 dewsgirl Oct 2019 #14
Sending that to my kid. 😅 Duppers Oct 2019 #15
😆 dewsgirl Oct 2019 #16
Loved that. Thank you! Duppers Oct 2019 #13
The Tesla one is one of my favorite vids ever.😆 dewsgirl Oct 2019 #17
i call cop-out - why is it worse in some than others? sex on the wrong brain theory explains a lot certainot Oct 2019 #9
So all anyone has to do is masturbate with their left hand? lunatica Oct 2019 #22
... BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #24
apparently learning sex with the left hand burns in long lasting neural patterns certainot Oct 2019 #30
Excellent! K&R Duppers Oct 2019 #11
That was awesome! Thanks for sharing. Nevilledog Oct 2019 #18
My pleasure. BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #25
K&R, Jesus Christ is Asian ... people literally look at me like I'm crazy when I say this uponit7771 Oct 2019 #19
I looked up your assertion lunatica Oct 2019 #23
+1, Yep ... West Asian. Westerners think "middle eastern" but there's no continent called ... uponit7771 Oct 2019 #31
I always wondered what Middle Eastern meant lunatica Oct 2019 #32
Adorable! -and very informative. Thank you! nt crickets Oct 2019 #20
Most thanks are BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #26
Wow this is awesome FakeNoose Oct 2019 #21
I think that the Oatmeal BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #27
one correction. its not orangu tans who sling feces. thats chimps. :) good post! Kurt V. Oct 2019 #28
Thanks for the BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #29

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
1. Your first link was very entertaining
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 04:21 AM
Oct 2019

But it introduced new ideas that are simply wrong because I believe my pet ideas.

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
4. (Just a note about links)
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 05:29 AM
Oct 2019

All the stuff following the "?" in the first and last links can (and should) be deleted, because it's about your session on those sites. This is typically the case, but you should check links after removing that junk to make sure they still work, and these do.

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
7. Yes, they both work without that stuff
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 06:33 AM
Oct 2019

It's impossible to say what any given site does with that data, but that's kinda the point of removing it.

Duppers

(28,127 posts)
15. Sending that to my kid. 😅
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 09:58 AM
Oct 2019

Kid's now 32.
And was obsessed with dinosaurs from 3yo to 12-13yo(?).

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
9. i call cop-out - why is it worse in some than others? sex on the wrong brain theory explains a lot
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 07:40 AM
Oct 2019

of it has to do with the need for certainty - for authoritarians certainty is more important than truth.

every one can listen change their mind and learn, so just blaming it on an emotional reaction and the amygdala is a bit of a distraction and we get back to square one - some people are assholes

sowb theory explains we have been masturbating with the wrong hand and mixing/associating sexual impulses with the wrong side of the brain. with some people it might just be taking a quick detour through the left/wrong side of the braIn for sex but that slight 'asshole' effect provided a survival advantage in rough times. that 'advantage' was selected for - maybe as a variation in amygdala, for instance. suspicion/fear certainty and competition would win over curiosity imagination and cooperation.

we've been associating impatient satisfaction-demanding reproductive impulses that are supposed to stimulate emotion, arousal, sex, orgasm, and eventually reproduction with the side of the brain that's detail oriented, has more to do with quantification (+sex = more bigger faster = greed, materialism, capitalism).

and reproductive impulses push the conclusion part of problem solving toward premature conclusion, finality, certainty, quick easy answers. if its not there that uncertainty can turn to fear and that drives humans to create artificial certainty and value structures that help us create certainty - simplifying the world into binary values of yes/no black/white right/wrong to control and eliminate uncertainty.

certainty becomes more important than truth

sowb the book also explains trump's got a very bad case. it may be brain damage or a genetic convergence. he's been diverting 'sex energy' to the left side to feed greed and it may be getting 'stuck ' there, or the right side's getting starved of it and he has to do something nuts to trigger an emotional response to release it to the pleasure centers - like attack the 'object' of desire.

the book also explains how creating certainty requires creativity and our religions and other value systems teach/burn in neural patterns that use the wayward/misplaced 'sex energy' as a reward for accepting the irrational and the denial of reality. so when the left side opens up to the starved right side to create/accept non-existent certainty some of the 'sex energy' is released to where it was supposed to go in the first place. so it feels good to lie and deny and judge people for their color or sex.

modern psych such as "political conservatism as motivated social cognition" by jost et al looked at a lot of research on authoritarianism and concluded what most authoritarians had in common was the need to avoid uncertainty - authoritarianism is sometimes measured with the uncertainty avoidance index or UAI. that need for certainty that doesn't exist is irrational. it's a need for finality, closure. but the universe is infinite and we evolved in natural environments surrounded by uncertainty.

in "the master and his emissary - the divided brain", iain gilchrist explains that the left brain "wants certainty" and facts don't matter

and wilhelm reich in his 1933 paper on fascism blamed it on sexual/religious repression - associating sex/masturbation with punishment/guilt/violence

the right hand is connected to, controlled by, the left hemisphere. sex on the wrong brain explains that we started out 50-50 right or left handed like our ape ancestors, but we had already long ago evolved a divided brain, with definite lateralization of functions, some more than others. altho most brain functions use both sides there are differences and emphasis variations. a slight 'advantage' for right handers eventually got us to 90% right handed. and variations of symptoms of sowb were emphasized in different populations.

the difference in male and female anatomy makes sowb generally worse in males and that discrepancy increases the likelyhood that males see females as a threat or source of uncertainty that needs to be controlled.

anyway it's in the book - sex on the wrong brain





lunatica

(53,410 posts)
22. So all anyone has to do is masturbate with their left hand?
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:53 PM
Oct 2019

What if they’re having real sex with real people?

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
30. apparently learning sex with the left hand burns in long lasting neural patterns
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 05:10 PM
Oct 2019

that may not be rerouted with real sex but until the researchers get onto it, who knows

the idea would be to include it in sex ed but authoritarian systems have sexual repression built in to protect against the obvious cure - can't even talk about it

a major objective of our religions is apparently to increase masturbation and inhibit discussion of the topic so they can keep supplying warriors for their authoritarian protectors - but the koran actually puts it in there - "man can only have sex with his wife and that which the right hand possesses"

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
23. I looked up your assertion
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 03:07 PM
Oct 2019

and see that there is a link between Jews and Arabs through the Y chromosome and that Arabs are actually West Asians who are also linked to Europeans and Northern Africans and Southwest Asians.

Thanks! Very interesting!

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
31. +1, Yep ... West Asian. Westerners think "middle eastern" but there's no continent called ...
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 06:35 PM
Oct 2019

... middle eastern its a region of west Asia.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
32. I always wondered what Middle Eastern meant
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 06:45 PM
Oct 2019

It only made sense to me if what they meant was that it was an extension of the term Far Eastern. I guess I was onto something after all. And if they used the terms Far and Middle, why isn’t there a Near as in Near Eastern?

I feel less confused now.

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