He has plenty to cover up on this.

too many had motivations for him not to talk and there was so much money among those in his circle that anything is possible.

23 of them testified in this proceeding.

Why didn't anyone prevent them from talking? They still live and they still know what happened to them.


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/juliareinstein/jeffrey-epstein-women-victims-testify-court-quotes

23 Women Stood In Court And Said Jeffrey Epstein Abused Them. Here Are Their Most Powerful Quotes.

One by one, with many in tears, the women described how Epstein manipulated, coerced, threatened, and sexually abused them when they were just teens.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jeffrey-epstein-accuser-names-four-women-his-web-enablers-n1063801?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

Jeffrey Epstein accuser names four women in his web of enablers

Jennifer Araoz, who first told her story to NBC News in July, accused four people by name of helping facilitate Epstein’s abuse of her starting when she was 14 years old.

The four include Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s longtime companion; Rosalyn Fontanilla, a former housekeeper who died in 2016; Lesley Groff, who worked as his secretary, and Cimberly Espinosa, a former executive assistant to Epstein, according to the court papers obtained by NBC News.


https://jezebel.com/the-real-jeffrey-epstein-scandal-has-unfolded-in-front-1837171412

And just when it seemed that Epstein was actually going to be held accountable for those many, well documented offenses, yet again, he’s escaped. Epstein’s apparent suicide this week—and the conspiracy theories and bad media coverage around it—obscures the real scandal as it was just beginning to emerge. At some point, perhaps, if we’re very lucky, the overheated speculation around Epstein’s death may turn to introspection. It might be worth asking ourselves, for instance, why the public is so much more engaged by Epstein’s bizarre jailhouse death than in listening to his living victims, or questioning the many shameless hucksters who have tried to use their pain for their own political and financial ends. In part, that’s because Epstein’s case has been inextricably linked with conspiracy for such a long time, making it near impossible for the lived experience of his victims to ever be fully heard over the din.

Never knowing what may have happened is not an exoneration.

Why can't we hear the truth from the victims?

23 of them testified. Was that not the truth?

Given that many of them are speaking - and virtually no one is listening - it just happens to strike me as dismissive of the victims to think that Epstein's death means we can't know the truth.

Were we going to hear the truth from Epstein? I just don't get it. He wasn't going to testify in his own trial (as is the case with most criminal defendants). Or is the idea that he was just going to admit to everything in the indictment?

And, speaking of the indictment against him, was it not "the truth"?

It's a puzzling statement that somehow Epstein's death renders the truth inaccessible.

The statement was ambiguous. I read it the other way. No animals were harmed in the discussion of this topic.

He was referring to the truth (circumstances) around Epstein's death, not what he did (although a trial may have exposed additional crimes).

and yet he jumped to that conclusion tells me something that I'd rather not have realized about his intent or at least tactics.

what you are accusing me of.

Get a damned grip. Nowhere have I ever suggested I don't believe the victims. What the hell?! You immediately jump on that assumption? Really? I will leave it there because what I really want to say to you won't fly. But I am disgusted.

But your accusations towards other DUers on this is beyond the pale. I will not be addressing you or your insinuations further.

It is likely that Epstein knew quite a bit more about the victimizers than what the victims can tell us. It is not unreasonable to assume he got some of his riches, and some of his ability to escape investigation and punishment in the past, by way of blackmail.

It is reasonable to assume that he took some secrets to his grave.

It would have been the other powerful men that full knowledge of what went on in Epstien's house of horrors would have brought down. Silencing him forever means that their "reputations" stay intact.

I don't think anyone ever thought that the victims were suspect.

himself. They didn't have to say anything then and there. Eventually the whole sordid story would have come out if he decided to make a plea deal.

suicide. I honestly don't know where you are going with this. Someone clearly wanted to silence him. And it wasn't one of his victims.

Anyone who testified after his death would have obviously been terrified to rat out anyone who might have permanently silenced him. I don't know what happened, I am just saying it is not unlikely that this could have been a homicide.

The subject of the OP was the possibility that Epstein's death might have been a homicide instead of a suicide.

I am not familiar with the intricacies of the case, but considering how well connected and perverse Epstein was, I am only agreeing with the idea that the OP might be right, especially in the light of an expert medical examiner's recent findings. It would not shock me to find that there are many powerful people who would have wanted to permanently silence a man who would have nothing to lose by exposing them.

to be released if he died, whether by suicide or not.

And why would he commit suicide? He probably could have worked out a deal like federal relocation or identity change. It’s all so sloppy.

Because any one of his friends, including Trump knew what Epstein was doing all along. They just thought they would never get caught. Of course they would want him silenced once he was caught.

At first I thought it was real, but for some reason you’re really on a tear about this.

Controversial, to say the least.

1. Works for Fox
2. Did not perform the autopsy
3. Bad thinking skills, thinks "unusual" is the same as "never happens"
4. Probably pimping a book, thus producing sensational click-baiting statements

The fact is that almost all child molesters kill themselves either when the cops are closing in or when in jail. They realize that they'll have no chance once the sordid details are revealed in court.

But everyone seems to want everything in life to conform to a fictional movie they've seen.

I thought you were a stickler for facts? I guess not.

Jesus! Just stick to the facts why don’t you.

His brother, however, is not the executor of his estate, into which any interests of Jeffrey Epstein are merged.

The only persons with authority to act on behalf of his estate are the executors of the estate, which were employees of Jeffrey Epstein:

https://nypost.com/2019/08/19/jeffrey-epstein-signed-will-two-days-before-suicide/

Its executors are two longtime Epstein employees: lawyer Darren Indyke and businessman Richard Kahn. A third man, Boris Nikolic, is listed as an alternate. The executors will receive $250,000 apiece for their work on the estate, in addition to “reasonable’’ expenses related to the job, the papers say.

If you believe something different, then I'm sure there are any number of people who would like to know why you believe that there is an "Epstein family" which consists of anyone other than a sole individual - i.e. his brother.

So, please dish, to whom do you mean to refer by use of the phrase "Epstein's family"? Since I am obviously ignorant of the facts here, would you care to educate me?

I didn’t make up a thing. I posted the article.

If trying to escape punishment for being a pedophile were an argument in Epstein’s case he would have committed suicide years earlier in Florida.

If you can back up your implication that the coroner is lying then please bring it. Being famous or conceited doesn’t automatically make him a liar. Being an asshole doesn’t either.

I don’t have any idea or knowledge that he’s right or wrong, but evidently you do.

And I didn't believe the "diagnoses" from Bill Frist either, did you?

Do you know something no one else knows about this subject? Are you sure the evidence shows no one could have killed him? No one?

Except maybe you by instantly posting an uncritical rejection of the entire story. Throwing the baby out with the bath water isn’t admirable either.

But I get it... when other's do not adhere to our own faith, we often refer to them as clowns.



(insert pretense below your own due diligence in regards to the coroner's report being both absolute and without potential for error, else your faith based allegations are as without merit as everyone else's)

Everyone should know that.

Epstein provided his “services” to the elite of the elite around the world. Politicians at the highest level, royalty, corporate giants, mega bankers, Hollywood moguls, celebrities....all of that and more.

They were never going to allow all he knew to come to light. Call me a conspiracy nut all you like but this was obvious.

doesn’t make you or anyone a conspiracist.