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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 08:24 PM Oct 2019

I know this will be pronounced "hopelessly naive" by some and "quaint" by others, but damn it---

people who we elect to represent us in Congress are elected to---wait for it---REPRESENT US. They are where they are with the power WE gave them to serve and protect US.

"Getting re-elected" appears nowhere in their job description and if doing the right thing for the country and the people who elected them means they lose the next election that should be filed under "life ain't always fair but at least I voted my conscience." Losing with integrity is always preferable to winning by abandoning principles.

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I know this will be pronounced "hopelessly naive" by some and "quaint" by others, but damn it--- (Original Post) Atticus Oct 2019 OP
The problem is the society is now based on the view that malaise Oct 2019 #1
The reality is Rethugs see, not ISIS, not Putin, but kairos12 Nov 2019 #8
Your hopeless naivety is truly quaint, Atticus! enough Oct 2019 #2
It is not naive to strive for ideals or to expect them of others, without which we Enoki33 Oct 2019 #3
I want to take it a step farther. Gore1FL Oct 2019 #4
If you are hopelessly naive and quaint, you have company. Dem2theMax Oct 2019 #5
It's reality dude... Amy-Strange Nov 2019 #6
Representatives *DO* represent the voters... that's the problem Steven Maurer Nov 2019 #7
Amazing the great Social Contract political philosophers missed lawmaker self-interest bucolic_frolic Nov 2019 #9
Not naive or quaintbut the way it should be soldierant Nov 2019 #10
It is not quaint nor is it naive... OldBaldy1701E Nov 2019 #11
no. institutions (including government) BENEFIT stopdiggin Nov 2019 #14
That was true in the past, but today you have too look at it different. Joe941 Nov 2019 #12
"---today you have to look at it different." No, I don't and I won't. The team analogy Atticus Nov 2019 #13
That mentality plays into repukes hands. Joe941 Nov 2019 #18
The framers never allowed for 21st Century rethuglicans. lpbk2713 Nov 2019 #15
And sadly, there's not a single politician in Washington, from my state, who represents me. CaptainTruth Nov 2019 #16
Yes, it is hopelessly naive and quaint Lulu KC Nov 2019 #17
Maybe you should run, Atticus, because that is EXACTLY the kind PatrickforO Nov 2019 #19

kairos12

(12,862 posts)
8. The reality is Rethugs see, not ISIS, not Putin, but
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:11 PM
Nov 2019

Democrats as the greatest threat to them. As a result they justify to themselves anything they do to destroy Democrats.

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
4. I want to take it a step farther.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 09:07 PM
Oct 2019

Why would not doing the right thing be something that gets you elected? The fabled safe harbor in the middle doesn't exist, or at least it doesn't any more. It's ridiculous to be politically afraid of one's own values.

Dem2theMax

(9,651 posts)
5. If you are hopelessly naive and quaint, you have company.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:23 PM
Oct 2019

I know if I were in a position of authority, and I were called to testify, I would do it. Period. My country comes first, and I would do anything I could to protect it.

That those in political power would ignore the truth of what is going on, and just sit there and protect themselves, is beyond disgusting to me. I will never understand how anyone could choose to ignore the damage that is being done to this country, and continue to allow it to happen.

No wonder I have high blood pressure.

Amy-Strange

(854 posts)
6. It's reality dude...
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 01:38 PM
Nov 2019

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but I totally agree with... wait for it... everything you say,

Dave
the Real AmyStrange
dug.amystrange.org

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Steven Maurer

(460 posts)
7. Representatives *DO* represent the voters... that's the problem
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 01:55 PM
Nov 2019

Without millions of racists, sexists, and grifters, and hundreds of millions who didn't care to stop him, Trump would still be a random sociopathic media star. Same thing for most Republican representatives.

We blame politicians for the evil that lives in the hearts of a huge percentage of the public.

bucolic_frolic

(43,173 posts)
9. Amazing the great Social Contract political philosophers missed lawmaker self-interest
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 08:31 PM
Nov 2019

What were they thinking?

I'd bet Machiavelli knew. He was cynical enough to know everything. Maybe someone familiar with his work knows for sure.

soldierant

(6,880 posts)
10. Not naive or quaintbut the way it should be
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 08:34 PM
Nov 2019

even when it's difficult. I have to respect Heidi Heitkamp, and respect her the more for her loss because she acted as you suggest.

What's that quote from the Scottish play? "Nothing in his life became him like the meaving of it"?

OldBaldy1701E

(5,129 posts)
11. It is not quaint nor is it naive...
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 07:07 AM
Nov 2019

It is how things were supposed to be. And, this little problem can be fixed fairly easily. Two words that will solve the problem, and therefore will never be allowed.

TERM LIMITS.

I mean real ones. There should be no such thing as a career politician. That is just another word for 'nobility'... something we were supposed to stop allowing to happen.

stopdiggin

(11,312 posts)
14. no. institutions (including government) BENEFIT
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 03:14 PM
Nov 2019

from having people around who know what's going on. There isn't the slightest bit of evidence that "lame ducks" offer any more integrity or fidelity than any other pol. And there's a good bit on the anecdotal side that says there's actually an "increase" in self interest and self dealing for the short termers.

And finally , this is anti-democratic .. since when did placing restrictions on who can be on the ballot become a democratic ideal? This is basically a Republican talking point (along with voting restrictions). Keep your damned hands off my ballot, if you don't mind! I'll vote for who I WANT to!

If you don't want to vote for YOUR rep ... then DON"T. Simple as that.

 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
12. That was true in the past, but today you have too look at it different.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 07:56 AM
Nov 2019

Its team blue vs red. You need to think of it more on the national scale.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
13. "---today you have to look at it different." No, I don't and I won't. The team analogy
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 08:26 AM
Nov 2019

trivializes integrity and justifies extremism.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
15. The framers never allowed for 21st Century rethuglicans.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 03:20 PM
Nov 2019


They expected honest and decent people would run for elected office.

And if anyone disreputable should happen to run for office, the expected
the voters would exercise good judgment and not vote for them.

CaptainTruth

(6,592 posts)
16. And sadly, there's not a single politician in Washington, from my state, who represents me.
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 04:46 PM
Nov 2019

Both of my state's senators & my representative are all Republicans with at best disdain & at worst outright hatred of liberal folks like me.

Lulu KC

(2,566 posts)
17. Yes, it is hopelessly naive and quaint
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 04:57 PM
Nov 2019

and I totally agree with you.
I love seeing someone able to do both at the same time, gracefully: Sharice Davids in KS. Assuming she wins again, which I believe she will if there are actual elections. And that's an if. But let's not go there.

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
19. Maybe you should run, Atticus, because that is EXACTLY the kind
Sun Nov 3, 2019, 11:00 PM
Nov 2019

of person I want to elect and send to DC - someone who will represent my interests even if it means not getting reelected.

We don't have many of those.

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