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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWaPo Plumline: It was, by any reasonable standards, a staggering, staggering lie.
It was, by any reasonable standards, a staggering, staggering lie. Heres Paul Ryan about Barack Obama:
He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.
They. Them. Them. Those words are lies. Because Paul Ryan was on that commission. Came back with an urgent report. That is a lie. The commission never made any recommendations for Barack Obama to support or oppose. Why not? Because the commission voted down its own recommendations. Why? Because Paul Ryan, a member of the commission, voted it down and successfully convinced the other House Republicans on the commission to vote it down.
The real truth is that Paul Ryan completely rejects the approach of that commission because it includes tax increases along with spending cuts while Barack Obama has, while not endorsing the exact plan that Ryan shot down, basically endorsed the commissions approach. Nor was this a side point; Ryan's complaint about Obama on the deficit was absolutely central to his case against the president.
And then theres the logic of the whole thing. As Seth Masket said, it all comes down to arguing we must cut entitlements! Obama cutting entitlements is un-American. Theres also, as many were pointing out, the plain fact that until January 2009 Paul Ryan faithfully supported all the tax cuts and spending increases which created the deficit problem hes been so concerned about since January 2009.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/paul-ryan-fails----the-truth/2012/08/29/bbfe1eac-f254-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_blog.html
Glad to see the Post point out the utter "incredibly lazy mendacity" in Ryan's speech.
I hope the author is right that Ryan's "undeserved good reputation among many in the press and in Washington" doesn't "survive tonights speech."
xchrom
(108,903 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,228 posts)for his bullshit. Every. Single. Word.
K&R
Baitball Blogger
(46,750 posts)In fact, it's the ONLY way they can reach them.
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)No doubt about it, Ryan is a heinous liar, but honestly, wtf did Obama expect to happen with that Commission? On the 'shred-the-safety-net side,' he appointed rabid ideologues like Paul Ryan & Alan Simpson.
Meanwhile on the 'save-the-safety-net side'... Oh wait, that side was barely represented, if at all on that Commission.
Meanwhile on the 'Democratic' side, Obama appoints weaselly-little corporatists like Erskine Bowles. Erskine-goddamn-Bowles stands for no one except Morgan Stanley and Erskine Bowles (and he does the latter badly, as he has been unable to get elected to any office lately; plus his tenure at the helm of the UNC system was utterly without distinction).
The 'Debt Commission' should have contained at least a plurality of pro-Social Security, pro-Safety Net, pro-progressive taxation voices among the Democrats (I know it would be too much to ask to find even one Republican to fit that description). Instead, the 'Debt Commission' was stacked against us from the start. It was bad policy from the outset, so it should be no surprise that the result is some bad politics.
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Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Just like some Kenyan future intuitive witch doctor manipulated Hawiian newspaper birth announcements in '61, someone - something - prompted our president to "set up" Ryan 3&1/2 years hence. Knowing Ryan would be tapped, knowing his propensity to distort the truth, knowing Ryan would be free to twiddle those truths thanks to having a liar for a running mate - the assembling of this stillborn commission looks like "gotcha!" trap that the Dems set in 2009. Damned crafty, those Dems! Damned crafty.
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Now, on to the point of the Debt Commission itself:
I knew Paul Ryan's & Alan Simpson's politics in 2009, and I'm just a dude who reads the news. Are you saying that Obama, the President of the US and leader of the Democratic Party, did not?
People who oppose all taxes have no business being placed on a 'Debt Commission,' especially one appointed by a Democratic administration. All I am saying is that Obama could have handled the matter better in 2009 had he kept the slash-&-burn Teahadist wing of faux fiscal conservatism far from any such commission. Their craven greed and twisted lies on behalf of the 1% deserved no such mantle of legitimacy. I question even appointing a 'Debt Commission' at all during 2009, but if one was really necessary for whatever reason, the Democratic side should have had only pro-Social Security, pro-progressive-taxation, pro-worker, FDR/New Deal advocates. This 'Turd Way' nonsense is worse than Reaganism: a stinking corporatist effluvium polluting our own Party.
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Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)when I bother with the sarcasm smilie. I generally trust that most DUers are smart enough to where I don't have to put up a sign. I guess I need to reconsider.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)It would take all the fun out of it.
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)I got the sarcasm the 1st time, but could not tell its purpose. There are people here at DU right now saying that all criticism of the President sould be verboten until after the election, a viewpoint which I think is counterproductive nonsense. Right now is exactly the time to pressure the Obama administration to commit to really protecting Social Security and the rest of the safety net, to reveal what's being negotiated under the auspices of the Trans Pacific Parnership, etc. Promises not even made now can hardly be expected to be honored after the inauguration.
So forgive me if I jumped down your throat, but I really do think that discussing the issue of the nature of the Simpson-Bowles Commission is more important than joking about birtherist fantasies.
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Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)then this IS NOT a place that welcomes democracy.
I like the points you've made. We DO need to keep reminding ourselves and our politicians that we ARE WATCHING. Further, this day and age affords us more and more transparancy than we were used to getting (or not getting, truth be told). That recent video clip of Slick Willy talking candidly with Ryan - about things regarding Medicare - THAT scared the hell outta me!
And as you say - that TPP sleight of hand - when do WE, the people, get to weigh in on that??? I'll bet Obama knows EVERY facet of it. Why not share ..... BEFORE there's a handshake? As it stands, this is not OUR government. What we do is akin to throwing fresh, clean T-shirts into a vat of deep green dye and expecting them to stay white, er gray or whatever color they were when we threw them in!
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Plucketeer, it sounds like we are on the same page. I am certainly in favor of democracy (everywhere) and a reasoned, progressive, and democratic discussion format here at DU. Humor is generally good too.
I will edit my initial reaction, above. People curious about it can click back through, but the fact is that I missed the target of your humorous barbs during the first round of this discussion.
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Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Truth is, it was the fact that we were/are on the same page that inspired my first reply. We're definitely playin' the same tune!
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)See my response #29, just below for more details.
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Marr
(20,317 posts)cuts to Social Security/Medicare into a winning position, but the insane Republican Party proved unwilling or too stupid to take "yes" for an answer. The ball was spiked for them, and they stamped their feet and threw another tantrum instead of knocking it in for a goal.
There was no one to cheer for in that whole debacle.
TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)They were appointed by their respective caucuses!
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 5, 2012, 11:37 AM - Edit history (1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Commission_on_Fiscal_Responsibility_and_ReformAccording to the above link, President Obama appointed Alan Simpson (co-chair; fmr. U.S. Senator), Dave M. Cote (Honeywell International), Erskine Bowles (co-chair; fmr. White House Chief of Staff), Andy Stern (fmr. president of Service Employees International Union), Alice Rivlin (Brookings Institution; fmr. director CBO and OMB and Fed vice chair), Ann M. Fudge (fmr. CEO Young & Rubicam Brands), and Bruce Reed (fmr. Chief Domestic Policy Adviser to President Clinton), executive director of Commission.
Both Simpson & Bowles are absolutely inexcusable, unless you enjoy watching demented pitbulls (Simpson) tear apart emotionally stunted chihuahuas (Bowles), who never wanted to fight to begin with. But that seems lousy, even by Michael Vick standards, especially when it's our retirement income that is on the line. Out of the rest, Andy Stern is the only one who reputedly stood against the overarching theme of balancing the budget on the backs of the poor and middle class, reneging on the Social Security bonds, and otherwise further hollowing-out America in the name of a few more years of coddling the 1%.
Additionally,responsibility for the very existence of the Commission lies with Obama (underline emphasis added):
Why did our Democratic President expend precious 1st-year political capital on the false-flag issue of debt reduction at the very time when stimulus and economic recovery were what was needed?
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Bernardo de La Paz
(49,020 posts)madrchsod
(58,162 posts)REALLY! he LIED?
hey.. washington post.....tell us something we don`t know about ryan.
avebury
(10,952 posts)Grammy23
(5,810 posts)This message about what a liar Ryan is needs to be repeated until there is not a soul in this country (Ok, the world would be fine with me) who has not heard this. And more importantly, don't just make the charge. BACK IT UP with FACTS and FIGURES. Show the videos of him so he hangs himself with his own rhetoric. Show the contrast between what he says and what he actually DOES.
This man is a liar who clearly believes that the ends justify the means. And ya know what, Romney thinks that way, too. So what we have is a couple liars who will say anything, do anything to get what they want. No holds barred. And if a lie advances their position, they will say it.
The voters have a right to know the straight skinny on who their choices are. And two of them ---Romney and Ryan---are liars who would not know the truth if it bit them on the ass.
central scrutinizer
(11,653 posts)When this shows up on the WaPo front page, then we will have something.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)This guy cant cure cancer. Im gonna vote for cancer. -Chris Rock
Nice that someone can still call a lie "a staggering, staggering lie."
Berlum
(7,044 posts)You really cannot trust one damn thing they 'claim'
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)more lies. Ron Christie, on Bill Maher, was arguing w/ Maher about lyin' ryan's negative vote.
nightscanner59
(802 posts)Seems the only way to reach the Romney/Ryan voters is if Fox reports (for a change) and they decide...
tblue37
(65,457 posts)actually did point out the lies in Ryan's convention speech. But it was in an online article--and I doubt most FOX viewers are big readers. And even if they started to read her article, they probably stopped the instant they realized it was about how Ryan was lying.
nightscanner59
(802 posts)My parents are the only Faux broadcast faithful I know. They will not listen to anyone else. At all. They are in their 90's and still vote. Their three sons can only counter their folly by one.
spanone
(135,855 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)to have a talk with WaPo's factchecker.
WaPo Glenn Kessler is a big dolt and GOP shill!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021266338
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)upi402
(16,854 posts)Back to the gym dreamboat, we has your toy.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)This election is about their hate.
Hate doesn't WANT facts.
TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)... or "Simpson-Bowles commission report" ... which does not exist! The Debt Commission, as stated in the article, failed to agree on ANY report whatsoever! It enrages me every time this outright LIE is perpetuated by a corrupt media. No matter what the merits or shortfalls of the draft report produced by the two principals, it was not and is not a "commission report."
If anything, the Debt Commission's failure is just another tombstone marking the steady parade of hyper-partisan and treasonous obstruction by the GOP.