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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt is difficult to talk about politics without invoking Goebbels
The Republican campaign is, in fact, based on the groundbreaking innovations the Nazis made in the early 1930s campaigning in political elections.
Not the Holocaust. Not invading Poland.
A specific Nazi theory, documented at length by its inventors, about how to lie most effectively in a political campaign.
It is unfortunate that the Nazis are off limits, politically, because the nazis reinvented electoral politics in ways that are of importance in analyzing modern elections.
Hitler and Goebbels invented modern politics.
Triumph of the Will remains an effective primer on how to conduct a modern campaign advance work, use of air travel, use of broadcast media, how to conduct a rally, the value of "the big lie," the best use of outlandish campaign promises (In TOTW Hitler promises a rally of young women that when he is in charge every German woman will have a husband)...
and, most of all, the use of images. TOTW preceded TV as the primary political medium, but set a standard for the use of the visual.
Seriously, I don't know how one can seriously discuss modern politics without Nazis.
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Added on edit. This all remains very sharp analysis:
Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X
(This famous passage is a masterpiee of psychological projection. It is actually Hitler describing a technique of deception he attributed to the Jews after World War One, but it is plainly the template for Hitler's subsequent approach to both politics and governance, and it remains a fine analysis of why huge political lies remain effective even if people know, on some level, that they are not true.)
Jospeph Goebbels wrote the following paragraph in an article dated 12 January 1941, 16 years after Hitler's first use of the phrase "big lie," titled "From Churchill's Lie Factory." Again, the Big Lie is attributed to others, but the analysis remains pertinent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie
Cary
(11,746 posts)Nazis are just one form of fascism. You don't have to look at Nazis to see where the current crop of "conservatives" reside. You can look to more benign strains of fascism, like the Italian strains or like Franco.
The Magistrate
(95,248 posts)'Mein Kampf' contains some extraordinarily incisive and apt descriptions and advice for operating successfully in a democratic political system.
"Romney loves America like a tick loves a dog."
Cary
(11,746 posts)But you have to take into account that it was an ideology that took root in post WWI Germany and in the resulting utter humiliation of the German people.
The Magistrate
(95,248 posts)And can be put to service of most any ideological party blessed to operate in a democratic polity.
Cary
(11,746 posts)And it most certainly isn't limited to a democratic polity.
Nazi Germany happened in the context of post WWI Germany. If you know your history then you know that prior to WWI Germany was unified by Bismarck. Bismarck and Metternich were the masters of Realpolitck, politics or diplomacy based primarily on power and on practical and material factors and considerations, rather than ideological notions or moralistic or ethical premises. Before Bismarck Germany was a series of nation states that had some nationalistic issues with France.
At the same time most of the great philosophies were developed in Germany, i.e. Hegel, Kant, Nietsche. Adolf Hitler was able to step into that vacuum and offer something the German people craved, a uniquely German identity.
I don't deny that there were aspects of Mein Kampf that were practical but you need to be careful. Have you ever tried to read Mein Kampf? I have avoided that and have instead opted to study portions of the text. There is no good reason to read it cover to cover.
Could we become Nazi Germany? I don't think so. Anything is possible, of course, but our history is the history of Britain and not of the German nation states. That history and tradition are not tangible but they are deeply ingrained and firmly rooted. We are not the Weimar Republic.
The Magistrate
(95,248 posts)One is the common Haider translation, the other a period piece put out by a committee of liberals here in the U.S, early in 1939, which is particularly valuable for ephemera, as they often argue with the text in extensive footnotes, and include a large selection of poster translations and early speech transcriptions. It is something of a wade, but something that should be read by anyone interested in understanding events of the period. My advice to you would be to read up a bit more on the popular culture of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and particularly on Vienna and its politics before the war. The thing was not nearly so high-flown as you seem to suppose. But this is neither the time nor the place for going into great detail.
Cary
(11,746 posts)None of those courses subjected us to a direct reading of Mein Kampf.
I also took two excellent courses in jurisprudence in law school taught by the most intelligent man I have ever met: Professor Gray L. Dorsey. http://wupa.wustl.edu/record_archive/1997/08-21-97/5681.html
That doesn't mean I know everything but I can tell you with a great deal of certainty that there is no real reason to read Mein Kampf. In fact it is garbage. Hitler was no intellect.
I stand by my theory regarding the German people. In fact it is small segment of a larger theory of jurisprudence and jurisculture that I developed in my studies using Hegelian dialectics. There is no reason why we shouldn't engage in a larger discussion here.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Facts, observation, science, are all irrelevant, appearance is the only thing that matters anymore. Racism, sexism, fraud, theft, blatant corruption, everything is disregarded as long as someone, somewhere is telling or has heard a Big Lie that declares it non-existent.
We've always been at war with Eastasia. Nothing to see here, move along.