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bigtree

(86,004 posts)
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:50 PM Sep 2012

POTUS makes surprise stop at Norfolk fire house -- Brings them some WH home-brew beer

Last edited Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:58 PM - Edit history (2)




At 2:10 p.m. the pool made an OTR stop at the Norfolk Fire State No. 14, where POTUS got out and spoke to three fire fighters dressed in dark blue and their battalion chief in a white polo shirt. They spoke near the back of a fire truck. POTUS shook hands and then told the men about the White House beer. He picked up a bottle of it. “The White House has been brewing it’s own beer. Have you heard about this?” The men did not appear to have heard.

POTUS told them he had a whole case of the beer to give them. One of the firefighters, presumably on duty, asked: “Should we wait until tomorrow to drink it?”

“I don’t want to get you into trouble with the chief,” POTUS responded.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/09/barack-obama-now-bribing-voters-his-sweet-delicious-beer/56495/







Pres. Obama presents his white house home-brewed beer to firefighters in Norfolk, Virginia. #FourMoreBeers pic.twitter.com/F1QkYD3V




Jen Psaki Jen Psaki ?@jrpsaki
POTUS makes surprise stop at Norfolk fire house, September 4, 2012
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POTUS makes surprise stop at Norfolk fire house -- Brings them some WH home-brew beer (Original Post) bigtree Sep 2012 OP
That fireman has the classic "rejection" posture......arms folded across his chest. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2012 #1
Is it possible you're reading too much into a photograph? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #2
Yea. He's talking to the President of the United States. He's hiding that belly. The Wielding Truth Sep 2012 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Sep 2012 #3
Which one? whathehell Sep 2012 #5
Oh spare us the amateur body language expert. I stand like that ALL the time listening to someone. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #7
I am not an amateur. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2012 #11
So as a nurse, you can't recognize SMILES??? just curious. Look at the photo. they're smiling. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #19
The top picture, where they are smiling, had not been posted when I responded. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2012 #21
nope, I slipped that in there long after you responded bigtree Sep 2012 #22
It's OK! CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2012 #25
LOL! DoBotherMe Sep 2012 #28
oooH! bigtree Sep 2012 #31
Agreed. The Prez probably had to ask them Doctor_J Sep 2012 #8
GMTA, Peggy! That was my first reaction... CTyankee Sep 2012 #13
In the top photo they are smiling - TBF Sep 2012 #23
I'm reading the book "Spy the Lie" PatSeg Sep 2012 #27
Looking at him, I judge him to be a beer aficionado Brother Buzz Sep 2012 #40
My first thought was that I don't like malaise Sep 2012 #53
Yes he does. But he is learning something and he'll relive these moments forever...no matter how he nanabugg Sep 2012 #54
Their facial expressions and body language don't convey. whathehell Sep 2012 #4
nonsense. apparently he brought them some of his home-brew bigtree Sep 2012 #6
Well, "nonsense" my ass, I didn't see that picture.! whathehell Sep 2012 #42
still nonsense bigtree Sep 2012 #45
Uh, no. whathehell Sep 2012 #49
rest? bigtree Sep 2012 #52
LOOK at the second pic. They are SMILING. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #9
Sure, now that it's posted, I can see that...Good! whathehell Sep 2012 #43
The second picture had not been posted when I responded. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2012 #10
he brought them some WH home brewskies bigtree Sep 2012 #12
UH-OH! "President tries to make firefighters get drunk on the job!" will be next CTyankee Sep 2012 #14
I'm sure they were happy to have the beer. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2012 #16
I'd hold back a little on the negative interpretations; accentuate the positive bigtree Sep 2012 #18
Yep, Pocket Pool means he's TOO happy. Son of Gob Sep 2012 #24
If you'd posted the two pictures together, you'd GET the postive whathehell Sep 2012 #44
it's funny. I really didn't expect the body-lauguage readings would be the focus of the thread bigtree Sep 2012 #47
You know, it's really not a big effing deal, bigtree...I don't think anyone was trying to whathehell Sep 2012 #48
it's all good, whathehell bigtree Sep 2012 #50
I concur, bigtree. whathehell Sep 2012 #51
LOL snooper2 Sep 2012 #38
I think the lesson for you then, is that perhaps you should refrain from diagnosing from a distance? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #41
Another photo: pinboy3niner Sep 2012 #15
Tonight on Fox News...... marmar Sep 2012 #17
In response, the Romney camp sent over a case of yogurt milkshakes bigtree Sep 2012 #20
natch bigtree Sep 2012 #32
Nice...and a few more for them: NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #34
Meanwhile Rmoney attempted to deliver pizza to firefighters - didn't even enter the building! Initech Sep 2012 #26
Aha!! PatSeg Sep 2012 #30
Ha! And Romney can't compete for votes this way. DippyDem Sep 2012 #36
I love this but couldn't help thinking Samantha Sep 2012 #33
i would need to see video, but these fire fighters dont look like fans. GusFring Sep 2012 #35
my first reaction: their body language grasswire Sep 2012 #37
that's what his campaigning is meant to address bigtree Sep 2012 #39
Seriously.. some people see what they want to see. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #46

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,660 posts)
1. That fireman has the classic "rejection" posture......arms folded across his chest.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:55 PM
Sep 2012

I don't see a lot of happy camaraderie here. Too bad.

Those people don't realize just how lucky they are.



Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
7. Oh spare us the amateur body language expert. I stand like that ALL the time listening to someone.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:02 PM
Sep 2012

Without the photos of their greeting, and parting, you can't tell anything.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,660 posts)
11. I am not an amateur.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:11 PM
Sep 2012

As a nurse, I was trained to read body language.

It does not lie.

However, the one picture did not convey the complete scene.

Body language is often unconsciously done.

Spare me your contempt.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
19. So as a nurse, you can't recognize SMILES??? just curious. Look at the photo. they're smiling.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:17 PM
Sep 2012

Spare me your amateur reading of body language. Sorry, but being a nurse doesn't make you an expert. The guys are smiling, and in the other pic their arms are down.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,660 posts)
21. The top picture, where they are smiling, had not been posted when I responded.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:22 PM
Sep 2012

So, there were no smiles for me to see. Of course I recognize smiles. Only the second picture had been posted, and nobody is smiling in that one.

bigtree

(86,004 posts)
22. nope, I slipped that in there long after you responded
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:25 PM
Sep 2012

that one pic wasn't a very good portrait of the meeting, was it? Sorry for the confusion and acrimony.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
13. GMTA, Peggy! That was my first reaction...
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:11 PM
Sep 2012

but then in the second picture they looked relaxed and smiling. Maybe they were just nervous...I mean, who wouldn't be with a surprise visit of the President to your workplace...maybe the firehouse wasn't spiffed up very well and they were caught off guard. They crossed arms might have just been surprise and a bit bewilderment...

TBF

(32,081 posts)
23. In the top photo they are smiling -
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:26 PM
Sep 2012

so maybe that is later on in the meeting (lol - after the free beer?) ... !! At any rate I give him credit for reaching out to folks like that. I can just picture Romney in the same situation "Wow, you folks must need a really big elevator".

PatSeg

(47,547 posts)
27. I'm reading the book "Spy the Lie"
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:32 PM
Sep 2012

and the authors say that this posture could construed as defensive if it is combined with other indicators, but alone it cannot be a definitive indication. People do this for many reasons.

Brother Buzz

(36,449 posts)
40. Looking at him, I judge him to be a beer aficionado
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:33 PM
Sep 2012

and I suspect he is a full grain mash brewer that doesn't mess around with that silly malt extract the White House uses. A reasonable analogy might be: Full grain brewing is an art akin to fly fishing on a wild river while malt extract brewing is essentially bait fishing in a stocked pond.

 

nanabugg

(2,198 posts)
54. Yes he does. But he is learning something and he'll relive these moments forever...no matter how he
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 06:31 PM
Sep 2012

votes.

whathehell

(29,069 posts)
4. Their facial expressions and body language don't convey.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:00 PM
Sep 2012

much happiness in seeing him...Folded arms are a sign of being "closed off".

bigtree

(86,004 posts)
6. nonsense. apparently he brought them some of his home-brew
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:02 PM
Sep 2012

I guess the way he's got his hand on his hips means he doesn't like beer.



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Pres. Obama presents his white house home-brewed beer to firefighters in Norfolk, Virginia. #FourMoreBeers pic.twitter.com/F1QkYD3V

whathehell

(29,069 posts)
49. Uh, no.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 05:33 PM
Sep 2012

Unless you're completely unfamiliar with psychological concepts.

Maybe you should try giving it a rest.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,660 posts)
10. The second picture had not been posted when I responded.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:07 PM
Sep 2012

What I saw in the first picture looked like classic rejection.

I was trained to read body language in nursing school, BTW.

It does not lie.

However, the one picture did not convey the whole scene.



bigtree

(86,004 posts)
12. he brought them some WH home brewskies
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:11 PM
Sep 2012

. . . I seriously doubt there was one firefighter there who 'rejected' that offer.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
14. UH-OH! "President tries to make firefighters get drunk on the job!" will be next
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:13 PM
Sep 2012

headline on Fox News!

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,660 posts)
16. I'm sure they were happy to have the beer.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:14 PM
Sep 2012

I based my interpretation on the one picture that you'd posted.

I call 'em as I see 'em!


bigtree

(86,004 posts)
18. I'd hold back a little on the negative interpretations; accentuate the positive
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:17 PM
Sep 2012

. . . but that's just me.

Like, I see a guy there with his hand fishing around in his pocket . . . obviously means he's happy to see the President.

bigtree

(86,004 posts)
47. it's funny. I really didn't expect the body-lauguage readings would be the focus of the thread
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:54 PM
Sep 2012

I found a tweet and a pic and I found some more later. That's just how it is when you look for and find stuff on the web. I can't make posts worrying about what every tangential reaction might be; I simply can't take responsibility for your responses.

I do think that it's a bogus way of discerning how these folks actually felt about the POTUS and his visit. Anyone could just as easily (and credibly) claim just the opposite of your reaction.

whathehell

(29,069 posts)
48. You know, it's really not a big effing deal, bigtree...I don't think anyone was trying to
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 05:30 PM
Sep 2012

crap on your post, in fact I think everyone here is HAPPY to see other pics that

show just the opposite.

People familiar with psychology, though, tend to trust the concept of "body language".

It's been around for a long time, and lots of people are familiar with some of the more basic "messages",

like the arm folding.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,236 posts)
41. I think the lesson for you then, is that perhaps you should refrain from diagnosing from a distance?
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:38 PM
Sep 2012

Remember former Sr. Bill Frist? You made a snap judgement based on a single photo. If that were an xray, you'd be guilty of malpractice.

bigtree

(86,004 posts)
32. natch
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:50 PM
Sep 2012

POTUS told them he had a whole case of the beer to give them. One of the firefighters, presumably on duty, asked: “Should we wait until tomorrow to drink it?”

“I don’t want to get you into trouble with the chief,” POTUS responded.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/09/barack-obama-now-bribing-voters-his-sweet-delicious-beer/56495/

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
34. Nice...and a few more for them:
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:59 PM
Sep 2012

"Is Obama Encouraging Alcoholism?"
"Socialism: Obama Handing Out Free Beer"

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
33. I love this but couldn't help thinking
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 03:50 PM
Sep 2012

How long will be it until some right-wing source jumps out and accuses him of trying to buy votes with beer. If I don't see something like that in the next 24 hours, I will be very surprised.

Thanks for posting this great picture. What a great idea President Obama had.

Sam

bigtree

(86,004 posts)
39. that's what his campaigning is meant to address
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:32 PM
Sep 2012

. . . and he couldn't have done any better than this.

I think the psychoanalysis on this thread from these photos is pretty bogus, tho.

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
46. Seriously.. some people see what they want to see.
Tue Sep 4, 2012, 04:49 PM
Sep 2012

I see people engaged in a conversation at work, on duty. They stand like most police/troops/firefighters stand. It's funny, they usually stand like that at work. Feet apart, hands behind the back or folded. I see smiles in the pics, I see people having a good discussion.

The armchair body language experts fail to notice that the President's facial expression and body language MATCH the other people there. Do these armchair experts know what he's talking about? Is he talking about being first responders? Is he talking about Romney's comments that we have too many firefighters and teachers???

Some people see a photo of a pony, and point out the pile of poop in the corner of the corral.

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