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Initech

(100,097 posts)
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:29 AM Nov 2019

Why are conservatives so obsessed with cowboys?

I don't get it. Bush was obsessed with cowboys, Reagan was obsessed with cowboys, Nixon was obsessed with cowboys, Trump supporters are obsessed with cowboys. Shit, Bush was so obsessed with cowboys that he lived on a fucking ranch and cleared brush like it was some bizarre lifestyle.

Everything I've ever read and seen about cowboys, cowboy culture and the wild west seems like that was no way to live. So what is the draw?

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Why are conservatives so obsessed with cowboys? (Original Post) Initech Nov 2019 OP
petty little men need their guns and cowboys to make themselves feel macho Skittles Nov 2019 #1
They live for horseshit, cowshit and bullshit, but it's mostly chickenshit. TheBlackAdder Nov 2019 #29
Because the cowboy life was when men were men TexasBushwhacker Nov 2019 #2
Geez, nearly spit out my coffee after reading that last part. alwaysinasnit Nov 2019 #10
I think it's just nostalgia for our lost yodeling lifestyle from bygone romantic days of yore! struggle4progress Nov 2019 #3
Also mahina Nov 2019 #18
When he was a kid, my dad met Jimmie Rodgers. LuvNewcastle Nov 2019 #34
People my age grew up on Westerns. I love them. But as a kid, it was never political. rusty quoin Nov 2019 #4
In their adolescent minds, they're still playing "Cowboys and Indians." Garrett78 Nov 2019 #5
The Rugged Individualist image TDale313 Nov 2019 #6
Precisely Sherman A1 Nov 2019 #19
Because the FOX News prime demographic grew up in the heyday of TV/Movie westerns JHB Nov 2019 #7
They want to be the Marlboro Man RainCaster Nov 2019 #8
. dalton99a Nov 2019 #9
Barf mahina Nov 2019 #16
Heh, heh! smirkymonkey Nov 2019 #22
He looks so ridiculous. LuvNewcastle Nov 2019 #35
Cowboys of classic western genre were rugged individualists, and... Beartracks Nov 2019 #11
A good movie would explain such. It's Eastwood's Unforgiven where the bad guy, Richard Harris, rusty quoin Nov 2019 #12
I met a real cowboy in Colorado Dirty Socialist Nov 2019 #13
+1 Beartracks Nov 2019 #14
My wife has honest-to-God working Texas cowboys in her family. Dave Starsky Nov 2019 #38
Oh come on now. Who doesn't love cowboys. mahina Nov 2019 #15
He's a drug store truck driving man, he's the head of the Ku Klux Klan.... safeinOhio Nov 2019 #17
Movie cowboys are seen by some guys as macho men, manly men. nt tblue37 Nov 2019 #20
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence unc70 Nov 2019 #21
They believe in the media-created image of the cowboy, they are committed to that image ck4829 Nov 2019 #23
Assless chaps jberryhill Nov 2019 #24
manly KG Nov 2019 #25
I think of Brokeback Mountain when I think of cowboys. LuvNewcastle Nov 2019 #37
What gets me is that a cowboy was a coward if he shot an unarmed man. Solomon Nov 2019 #26
the "code of the west" rampartc Nov 2019 #27
Remember in the '50's, there was 'country-western' music. empedocles Nov 2019 #28
They are hoodwinked by the false myth created by Hollywood. TexasProgresive Nov 2019 #30
it's a frustration thing. onethatcares Nov 2019 #31
Thinking about Westerns and Cowboys... Mike Nelson Nov 2019 #32
Crotchless leather chaps?? maxrandb Nov 2019 #33
I think their movie association with slaughtering indigenous people malaise Nov 2019 #36

LuvNewcastle

(16,847 posts)
34. When he was a kid, my dad met Jimmie Rodgers.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:32 AM
Nov 2019

This was in the 1950's on the Mississippi coast. Jimmie Rodgers was from Meridian, Mississippi, I think. Rodgers was my dad's music teacher's cousin and the teacher got Jimmie to come to the music class and teach them a lesson on the guitar. My dad says he was a very nice man, although he seemed like he wasn't in good health. I don't know if Rodgers came down to visit family or if he was playing at one of the nightclubs in Biloxi. Anyway, I thought it was a cool memory to have about a legend.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
5. In their adolescent minds, they're still playing "Cowboys and Indians."
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:46 AM
Nov 2019

White, heterosexual, cisgendered promoters of patriarchy vs. everyone else.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
6. The Rugged Individualist image
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 01:49 AM
Nov 2019

I don’t need no stinking government or society... just leave me to my own devices and don’t fence me in. It’s a romantic image. Most of them would last about two seconds without the infrastructure the system they rail so hard against created, but they love the myth.

LuvNewcastle

(16,847 posts)
35. He looks so ridiculous.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:37 AM
Nov 2019

A New York city slicker putting on a cowboy hat. And his base eats that shit up. Looks like he's going back to his family's roots in the pimping business.

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
11. Cowboys of classic western genre were rugged individualists, and...
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:33 AM
Nov 2019

... lived in a world of little moral ambiguity (e.g. good guys with guns were ALWAYS good guys). But this is the cowboy of the western GENRE of books and movies (especially classic, "old west" story-telling), not necessarily actual, historical cowboys.

So, the macho, rugged, go-it-alone, hero archetype is appealing to a lot of people, and I would guess conservatives have a greater affinity for that mythic combination of qualities, especially the "rugged individual" aspect (read: we don't need government!) and the "good guy with gun" aspect (for obvious reasons).

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rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
12. A good movie would explain such. It's Eastwood's Unforgiven where the bad guy, Richard Harris,
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 02:57 AM
Nov 2019

is locked up by another bad guy, Gene Hackman, while two other bad guys, Eastwood and Freeman try to avenge a prostitute for money.

At the same time there’s the dime novel guy trying to benefit from it all.

There are many novels and movies. But I think until the Italian dramas was the cowboy was the good one, or at least there was one hero.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
38. My wife has honest-to-God working Texas cowboys in her family.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:54 AM
Nov 2019

And they ***GASP*** read a lot of books and are Democrats.

ck4829

(35,079 posts)
23. They believe in the media-created image of the cowboy, they are committed to that image
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 05:45 AM
Nov 2019

The old western movies - White men on the frontier, the tip of the spear for manifest destiny itself, who carried a gun with them at all times and were supposed to be some lawman/vigilante hybrid who kept law and order in the frontier

Reality - Cowboys came in all colors, checked their guns when they went into town, and were laborers who drove cattle

LuvNewcastle

(16,847 posts)
37. I think of Brokeback Mountain when I think of cowboys.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:46 AM
Nov 2019

Beautiful movie. And Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger were the most awesome cowboys I've ever seen.

Solomon

(12,319 posts)
26. What gets me is that a cowboy was a coward if he shot an unarmed man.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 06:40 AM
Nov 2019

A despised criminal if he shot a man in the back. It was a strict code.

Today police shoot unarmed people in the back and get paid vacations for it.

rampartc

(5,432 posts)
27. the "code of the west"
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 06:55 AM
Nov 2019

is simple. break it, you end up on boot hill.

one version, as told to young ron howard by john wayne …………...

"I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them."

the code in any form is simple. here is eastwood enlightening eli Wallach ….……

"there are 2 kinds of people in the world, tuco, those who have loaded revolvers, and those who dig. you dig."

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
28. Remember in the '50's, there was 'country-western' music.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 07:17 AM
Nov 2019

Cowboy gear was common, Hank Williams, even Winchester Patsy Cline, et al. 'cons often like the '50's.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
30. They are hoodwinked by the false myth created by Hollywood.
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 08:20 AM
Nov 2019

Cowboys are not and never were not gunslingers or individualists. They had to work together as a team to manage the herd. You get a sort of sense of reality in the old TV series "Raw Hide." For the most part there is a lot of gun play portrayed. Many of the towns in the west had gun check laws.

There were a few "rugged individualists" mountain men and trappers, but those guys didn't build this country. It was built by people coming together to get things done, from raising a barn to butchering a hog.

Mike Nelson

(9,961 posts)
32. Thinking about Westerns and Cowboys...
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 09:12 AM
Nov 2019

... guns, guns, guns... women were pretty maids to be had, or sexy saloon hostesses to have you. White ruled. Gays were invisible. No social security programs. And, more guns!

malaise

(269,144 posts)
36. I think their movie association with slaughtering indigenous people
Sun Nov 10, 2019, 11:40 AM
Nov 2019

and John Wayne as this larger than live hero explain a lot of it

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