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***IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY HEARING NOV 20 THREAD 7*** (Original Post) crickets Nov 2019 OP
Kick up crickets Nov 2019 #1
Republicans proclaim there is "no evidence" from today's witness, Sondland. ancianita Nov 2019 #2
And in other news, Republicans claim 1+1purple. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2019 #4
All they have left is gaslighting. polichick Nov 2019 #6
but, I thought Trump NewJeffCT Nov 2019 #12
Except that adults know the flip side of the bully boy is the victim. Thus, Putin, the predator. ancianita Nov 2019 #32
Stewart, imho, helping make the case for extortion Roland99 Nov 2019 #3
Sondland is pushing back a bit on Stewart BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #5
Good. Had it muted, so didn't hear. elleng Nov 2019 #13
The rethugs have nothing. gademocrat7 Nov 2019 #7
Mike Quigley (D-IL) up BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #8
You'd indict the person who pulled the fire alarm Roland99 Nov 2019 #10
I like his analogy - don't indict the guy who pulled the fire alarm - crickets Nov 2019 #11
GS: Noun + verb + Trump + Giuliani + Pompeo + Volker + Burisma no Biden equals no smoke or fire ancianita Nov 2019 #26
And continuing the casting call... Pacifist Patriot Nov 2019 #18
I was thinking Robert Urich BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #42
Goodness me! Pacifist Patriot Nov 2019 #49
His face kept coming up in my mind when I see Quigley BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #62
LOL! That is precisely how I'd have done it. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2019 #65
I originally considered a "young" Jack Lord BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #74
The disingenuous complaining and minimizing madaboutharry Nov 2019 #9
Some of the RepubliCONs are such good liars they seem to believe their lies. polichick Nov 2019 #14
that's how they win mucifer Nov 2019 #15
right elleng Nov 2019 #16
And Ghouliani thrown under the bus ("problematic to work with Ghouliani") BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #17
Again! He's been under that bus so many times, he's flat as a pancake n/t Blaukraut Nov 2019 #21
Stupidufuckik (R-NY) up - MUTE ALERT BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #19
Beat me to it. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2019 #20
She's Still on the Now Debunked Idea That Just Because Trump Didn't Say the Words... The_Counsel Nov 2019 #23
She was completely useless just now. Roland99 Nov 2019 #27
stewart is about the last person that should be lecturing Mersky Nov 2019 #22
Good points. You're yelling to the choir; don't worry about it. crickets Nov 2019 #24
Eric Swalwell (D-CA) up BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #25
Swalwell is good! polichick Nov 2019 #29
He has been on TV all over and twitter trolling the GOP BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #56
Yeah, I really enjoy him! polichick Nov 2019 #58
They all have faces as red as tomatoes. Must be hot in there n/t Blaukraut Nov 2019 #28
I was thinking it must be really warm in the room, madaboutharry Nov 2019 #33
I've noticed the flushed faces and been wondering that as well. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2019 #35
Swalwell up - asking ordinary and reasonable questions crickets Nov 2019 #30
"We followed the direction of the president " Roland99 Nov 2019 #31
Unsaid: the direction of the president through Rudy. nt crickets Nov 2019 #34
Swalwell and hypothetical questions isn't a good look. Sorry, the only thing going for Dems is the ancianita Nov 2019 #37
It is in writing, and that may bite Sondland hard and help Dems in the end. nt crickets Nov 2019 #47
William Hurd (R-TX) up BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #36
Hurd: how do you reconcile your written opening statement and your testimony about the ancianita Nov 2019 #38
He spent the morning throwing everyone under the bus.. luvs2sing Nov 2019 #39
I wonder if he received a casual phone call during the lunch break. Hmmm... nt crickets Nov 2019 #41
Something like that. No doubt. n/t luvs2sing Nov 2019 #43
yea, why is he walking back his already amended testimony? Blaukraut Nov 2019 #44
He's using "no records" from Pompeo's State as the basis of his equivocation. So now it could ancianita Nov 2019 #45
Joaquin Castro (D-TX) up BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #40
Castro had Mulvaney's press conference played meow2u3 Nov 2019 #46
Lord, can't ANYBODY handle simple technology? nolabear Nov 2019 #50
Castro replayed Mulvaney's quid pro quo presser BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #48
Paging Mulvaney...come defend yourself! nolabear Nov 2019 #51
Sondland said that politics is always in foreign policy, but that going after Mersky Nov 2019 #57
OMG Sondland claim they belived they were well in the "center lane" of proper diplomacy BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #52
He keeps saying that. Repetition doesn't make it true. crickets Nov 2019 #54
This is fizzling. Before wrap up and Brussels, I hope Schiff hits hard with evidence in spite of ancianita Nov 2019 #59
Sondland bought his Ambassadorship. madaboutharry Nov 2019 #61
+1,Sondland is doing a good job at presenting this BUT its really hard to think he didn't know shit uponit7771 Nov 2019 #73
+1 crickets Nov 2019 #77
Ratfucker (R-TX) up again BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #53
Denny Heck (D-WA) up BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #55
Heck made Sondland admit they have no evidence of anything "criminal" regarding Hunter BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #60
Bringing Sondland to talk about patriotic duty crickets Nov 2019 #64
Yup. BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #70
The first time I saw Sondland go perfectly still Bayard Nov 2019 #72
GYMSUIT ALERT - MUTE BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #63
I turned down my volume control, but not enough. He must be ramping back up. Pacifist Patriot Nov 2019 #69
Gotta recycle an instant classic JHB Nov 2019 #76
LOL! BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #78
she got him! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #103
Jordan really gets off on the sound of his own voice! lol polichick Nov 2019 #66
Jim Jordan parroting Putin talking points: demmiblue Nov 2019 #67
Gym ignoring that Zelensky isn't going to admit pressure Roland99 Nov 2019 #68
GYMSUIT's battery turned off. Peter Welch (D-VT) up. BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #71
Welch is pointing out that holding back the aid put people's lives on the line. Good. crickets Nov 2019 #75
Maloney (D-NY) up now Roland99 Nov 2019 #79
Sean Maloney (D-NY) up BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #80
Oh, c'mon, Gymmy. Murphy brought up the withholding of aid days after it had already Mersky Nov 2019 #81
Maloney made Sondland admit who would "benefit" from "investigations" BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #82
Sondland is terrified of Trump. polichick Nov 2019 #83
they all are. elleng Nov 2019 #86
He's wealthy enough not to care about Drumpf BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #90
Sondland. I've been very forthright. Maloney - this is your third time here!! Roland99 Nov 2019 #84
WoW this guy was great! PuraVidaDreamin Nov 2019 #96
He's from NY Roland99 Nov 2019 #98
Love Maloney! polichick Nov 2019 #85
Sondland's insistence on EVERY TIME saying crickets Nov 2019 #87
Maloney!!!!! Pachamama Nov 2019 #88
Yup! Nailed his balls to the chair! nt woodsprite Nov 2019 #95
Gonna park the video here, cuz it's amazing... crickets Nov 2019 #120
Boy did Maloney wipe the smile off of Sondland's face! nolabear Nov 2019 #89
That was amazing.... Pachamama Nov 2019 #94
Sondland thinks he got away with "please be clear about what you're asking" crickets Nov 2019 #102
Congressman Maloney just took my breath away. Siwsan Nov 2019 #91
I'm so glad. It was getting way too chummy. Sondland is NOT our friend. nolabear Nov 2019 #97
That was for the books blogslut Nov 2019 #101
I think Maloney is fed up with all the republican tap dancing and Sondland MerryBlooms Nov 2019 #104
Sean Patrick Maloney gets Sondland to say Trump would benefit from Biden investigation: applause! brooklynite Nov 2019 #92
It's incredible the effort that took - it shouldn't have if Sondland were an honest man. nt crickets Nov 2019 #105
Val Demmings (D-FL) up BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #93
Maloney - this is real life Mersky Nov 2019 #99
Congressman Maloney got applause from the gallery meow2u3 Nov 2019 #100
Val Demmings (D-FL) running through the record during May in the media BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #106
Sondham has SMS (Selective Memory Syndrome) Siwsan Nov 2019 #107
Demmings just gave him that "you're bullshitting me" look BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #108
Yup Mersky Nov 2019 #110
Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-IL) up BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #109
Ooooo... He just got Sondland Mersky Nov 2019 #117
Have the Repukes fled? Roland99 Nov 2019 #111
There aren't that many on the committee since they lost a bunch in 2018 BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #114
Sondland against throws Ghouliani under the bus BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #112
Krishnamoorthi is playing Sondland like a cheap fiddle. nolabear Nov 2019 #113
Skills in business to not necessarily translate well to skills in government or diplomacy Siwsan Nov 2019 #119
MOOnes closing with calling it a conspiracy theory Roland99 Nov 2019 #115
MOO MOO ALERT - MUTE (closing statement) BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #116
*sigh* Here goes Nunes, bitching, whining, obfuscating, doing what he does best. nolabear Nov 2019 #118
MOO MOO needs to go back to the farm with the rest of the GOP animals. BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #121
Schiff up - CLOSING STATEMENT BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #122
Too bad the questions ran long today. Looks like Gordo probably missed his plane. Boohoo. nt crickets Nov 2019 #124
he could probably buy his own effing plane I don't really care mucifer Nov 2019 #127
+1 crickets Nov 2019 #130
Schiff is going to make Drumpf throw Ghouliani under the bus BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #123
Preposterous mooing Mersky Nov 2019 #125
Schiff - so much for the Ukrainians did not know. Roland99 Nov 2019 #126
Sondland is not happy about his own testimony that Schiff is reading back crickets Nov 2019 #128
sondland really is scumb I hope they get him on perjury mucifer Nov 2019 #133
I suspect Sondland might not want to spend one more day on this side of the pond Siwsan Nov 2019 #129
Great summary by Schiff! polichick Nov 2019 #131
"Is there any accountability?" crickets Nov 2019 #134
Sondland squirming like a kid in a chair. BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #132
Schiff again stating the whistleblower didn't cause trumps actions Roland99 Nov 2019 #135
ADJOURNED AND APPLAUSE BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #136
Another standing ovation - this time for Schiff crickets Nov 2019 #137
Once again Ladies and Gentlemen.... ADAM MF'ING SCHIFF!!! budkin Nov 2019 #138
Eloquent and great summary. Mersky Nov 2019 #139

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
2. Republicans proclaim there is "no evidence" from today's witness, Sondland.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:29 PM
Nov 2019

Repubs claim their prez is being bullied by impeachment.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
10. You'd indict the person who pulled the fire alarm
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:32 PM
Nov 2019

Whistleblower claims don’t change the presidents actions

crickets

(25,982 posts)
11. I like his analogy - don't indict the guy who pulled the fire alarm -
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:33 PM
Nov 2019

It doesn't change body of evidence, just puts someone at risk.

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
26. GS: Noun + verb + Trump + Giuliani + Pompeo + Volker + Burisma no Biden equals no smoke or fire
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:40 PM
Nov 2019

Just looks that way to me, so far.

Media can only go with Sondland's opening written statement to affect public opinion; if they go with testimony, they've got equivocation, which affects public opinion, too.

At least Sondland's showed up. Not sure that it's advanced the Democrats' case.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
49. Goodness me!
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:54 PM
Nov 2019

1) You're absolutely right.
2) Holy crap, I forgot he was dead. I met him in the Atlanta airport once. Seemed like a nice guy.

BumRushDaShow

(129,396 posts)
62. His face kept coming up in my mind when I see Quigley
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:02 PM
Nov 2019

and had to google "1980s cop shows" to remember his name.

BumRushDaShow

(129,396 posts)
74. I originally considered a "young" Jack Lord
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:11 PM
Nov 2019

but I know he's been gone for awhile (and would have been 100 next year).

madaboutharry

(40,219 posts)
9. The disingenuous complaining and minimizing
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:32 PM
Nov 2019

of Trump's crimes by these republicans is just so depressing.

The_Counsel

(1,660 posts)
23. She's Still on the Now Debunked Idea That Just Because Trump Didn't Say the Words...
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:39 PM
Nov 2019

"quid pro quo," "bribery" or "extortion" that no evidence exists.

Whatever.

Mersky

(4,986 posts)
22. stewart is about the last person that should be lecturing
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:38 PM
Nov 2019

About fairness after stooping so low yesterday.

Then, after a bit stewart, went into how bush withheld aid to Pakistan, etc...

Umm, I'm pretty sure those instances withholding of aid came with real foreign policy that involved bipartisan, Congressional support.

THOSE WERE NOT FOR THE PERSONAL BENEFIT OF THE SERVING PRESIDENT. THOSE WEREN'T BRIBES TO TAKEDOWN POLITICAL OPPONENTS.

Sorry for yelling. It just isn't his money to use for muddying the election.

madaboutharry

(40,219 posts)
33. I was thinking it must be really warm in the room,
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:43 PM
Nov 2019

but the other day I read it was cold in the room and that Ambassador Yovanovitch sat with a blanket on her lap.

crickets

(25,982 posts)
30. Swalwell up - asking ordinary and reasonable questions
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:41 PM
Nov 2019

Sondland is weaseling on things like the definition of 'often.'


eta - Sondland's smug laugh has me ready to smack him.

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
37. Swalwell and hypothetical questions isn't a good look. Sorry, the only thing going for Dems is the
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:46 PM
Nov 2019

opening written statement.

It's in writing, so it is something.

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
38. Hurd: how do you reconcile your written opening statement and your testimony about the
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:47 PM
Nov 2019

president saying he wanted nothing.

GS: Yeah, it's difficult to reconcile.

luvs2sing

(2,220 posts)
39. He spent the morning throwing everyone under the bus..
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:49 PM
Nov 2019

And has spent the afternoon pulling them out and giving them first aid. I wonder, wonder, wonder, why...hmmmmmmmmmm?

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
45. He's using "no records" from Pompeo's State as the basis of his equivocation. So now it could
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:53 PM
Nov 2019

be Pompeo, Giuliani and Mulvaney, according to afternoon testimoney. Fall guys for Trump.

Without his equivocation, Dems already have evidence now about obstruction for Pompeo, conspiracy for Giuliani, obstruction from Mulvaney, and hard evidence from Trump himself.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
50. Lord, can't ANYBODY handle simple technology?
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:55 PM
Nov 2019

They ought to have an intern who has this down before they even try.

BumRushDaShow

(129,396 posts)
48. Castro replayed Mulvaney's quid pro quo presser
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:54 PM
Nov 2019

and forcing Sondland to admit that Mulvaney would have the direct line to Drumpf as "acting chief of staff" and his saying yes it was quid pro quo and "political influence".

Mersky

(4,986 posts)
57. Sondland said that politics is always in foreign policy, but that going after
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:59 PM
Nov 2019

Political rivals is inappropriate.

Really would like to insert his full, exact quote here.

crickets

(25,982 posts)
54. He keeps saying that. Repetition doesn't make it true.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:58 PM
Nov 2019

He really wants to come out of this smelling like a rose and it's not going to happen.

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
59. This is fizzling. Before wrap up and Brussels, I hope Schiff hits hard with evidence in spite of
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:00 PM
Nov 2019

Sondland.

madaboutharry

(40,219 posts)
61. Sondland bought his Ambassadorship.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:01 PM
Nov 2019

He did not come up through the Foreign Service, State Department, military, etc. He has no frame of reference for what a center lane even looks like. He is a dupe who was living out a pipe dream in Europe as an Ambassador. The others wanted him in on it because he wouldn't fully understand what was going on.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
73. +1,Sondland is doing a good job at presenting this BUT its really hard to think he didn't know shit
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:08 PM
Nov 2019

... about the Biden's until the July 25 summary was released.

NOTHING ?!

BumRushDaShow

(129,396 posts)
55. Denny Heck (D-WA) up
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 03:58 PM
Nov 2019

And Sondland just fucked up with his initial answer saying "certain conditions" were justified for foreign influence in our elections and then had to correct himself.

crickets

(25,982 posts)
64. Bringing Sondland to talk about patriotic duty
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:03 PM
Nov 2019

in order to read out the list of names of people who won't testify, including Trump. Denny Heck is good.

BumRushDaShow

(129,396 posts)
63. GYMSUIT ALERT - MUTE
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:03 PM
Nov 2019

He hasn't banged the desk yet and voice is a bit softer but not sure how long that will last.

EDIT - someone shoved a new battery up his butt and he just got wound up.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,654 posts)
69. I turned down my volume control, but not enough. He must be ramping back up.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:06 PM
Nov 2019

I can hear his squeals again.

Mersky

(4,986 posts)
81. Oh, c'mon, Gymmy. Murphy brought up the withholding of aid days after it had already
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:14 PM
Nov 2019

Been reported in the media. Of course it was a topic, but that doesn’t make the quid pro quo scheme some bipartisan arrangement.

CNN reported the aid holdup on Aug 30 & the meeting of Murphy and johnson with Zelensky happened on Sept 5.

BumRushDaShow

(129,396 posts)
82. Maloney made Sondland admit who would "benefit" from "investigations"
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:16 PM
Nov 2019

where "investigations" = "Bidens".

Maloney got the applause!!!! Maloney doing a GYMSUIT on him!!

BumRushDaShow

(129,396 posts)
90. He's wealthy enough not to care about Drumpf
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:18 PM
Nov 2019

but he is probably more worried about going the way of Manafort.

crickets

(25,982 posts)
87. Sondland's insistence on EVERY TIME saying
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:17 PM
Nov 2019

"I don't want to characterize"
"I know now, but I didn't know then"
"I understand your hypothetical"
"With 20 20 hindsight"
"Burisma not Biden"

is annoying. I am SO GLAD Maloney finally nailed him on this. He HAS NOT been forthright.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
89. Boy did Maloney wipe the smile off of Sondland's face!
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:18 PM
Nov 2019

Let's not forget he is trying to cover his ass.

crickets

(25,982 posts)
102. Sondland thinks he got away with "please be clear about what you're asking"
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:20 PM
Nov 2019

but what he really got was a potential perjury charge. Refusing to answer a question when you know the answer is as bad as making up an answer. Both answers are untrue.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
97. I'm so glad. It was getting way too chummy. Sondland is NOT our friend.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:19 PM
Nov 2019

And he's getting more self important as this goes on.

MerryBlooms

(11,771 posts)
104. I think Maloney is fed up with all the republican tap dancing and Sondland
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:21 PM
Nov 2019

trying to cya with all his not recalling bs.

Mersky

(4,986 posts)
99. Maloney - this is real life
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:19 PM
Nov 2019

I hope Maloney gets more time or someone tracks back onto where he was going with that.

meow2u3

(24,771 posts)
100. Congressman Maloney got applause from the gallery
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:20 PM
Nov 2019

Maloney got Sundland to admit that Trump would be the one to benefit from the fabricated investigation into the Bidens.

BumRushDaShow

(129,396 posts)
106. Val Demmings (D-FL) running through the record during May in the media
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:22 PM
Nov 2019

re: Ghouliani blabbing about Burisma and Hunter Biden and asking him why he wouldn't have known about that back in May vs "later".

Mersky

(4,986 posts)
117. Ooooo... He just got Sondland
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:31 PM
Nov 2019

To volley back to giuliani's Oct 14 statement to the press that Sondland was in charge of the Ukraine deal

Sondland replied, if he was in charge he would have told tRump to have the meeting without preconditions.

BumRushDaShow

(129,396 posts)
114. There aren't that many on the committee since they lost a bunch in 2018
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:30 PM
Nov 2019

I expect the newer ones are long gone.

BumRushDaShow

(129,396 posts)
112. Sondland against throws Ghouliani under the bus
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:29 PM
Nov 2019


Raja just mentioned how in October praised Sondland and then a month later didn't know him.

Says his colleagues call him the "one Amigo".

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
113. Krishnamoorthi is playing Sondland like a cheap fiddle.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:29 PM
Nov 2019

I'm beginning to think Sondland's not that bright.

Siwsan

(26,289 posts)
119. Skills in business to not necessarily translate well to skills in government or diplomacy
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:31 PM
Nov 2019

Ego tends to be a problem. IMHO, of course.

Mersky

(4,986 posts)
125. Preposterous mooing
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:36 PM
Nov 2019

Desperate nefarious claim Ukraine doesn't support impeachment whistleblower gave birth (to a calf) Obama no answers no hear no see no tell.

Cow had a cow, and he's done - thank goodness

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
126. Schiff - so much for the Ukrainians did not know.
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:36 PM
Nov 2019

You (GS) testified that you told them of the quid pro quo

crickets

(25,982 posts)
128. Sondland is not happy about his own testimony that Schiff is reading back
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:39 PM
Nov 2019

to him. This man is no poker player. He looks ticked off.

Siwsan

(26,289 posts)
129. I suspect Sondland might not want to spend one more day on this side of the pond
Wed Nov 20, 2019, 04:39 PM
Nov 2019

And, he's out of water!

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