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RandySF

(58,900 posts)
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 05:16 AM Nov 2019

US Requires Ukraine Keep Javelins 100's Of Miles From Battlefield

But as part of the agreement of the sale, the Javelins are not deployed on the battlefield but stored hundreds of miles away in western Ukraine—far from the front lines of the Donbass, which could radically diminish their deterrent effect, said Mike Carpenter, who served as the deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia and Eurasia under Obama.

“If the Russians know that the Javelins are not there, the deterrent effect is negated,” said Carpenter, though he noted that the missiles could be transferred to the battlefield in the event of an attack. Michael Kofman, a weapons expert with CNA, described the Javelins as an “insurance policy”—but one with little impact in the balance of power on the conflict.

The decision in 2017 to go ahead with the sale under Trump is often held up as evidence that, despite the president’s puzzling affinity for Russia, his administration has pursued a hawkish Russia policy.

Shortly after the first batch of Javelins arrived in Ukraine in 2018, they were tested by the Ukrainian military in what then-President Petro Poroshenko described as a “dream come true.” The Ukrainian military has been trained on how to use the Javelins, but with no tank battles in eastern Ukraine since 2015, they haven’t yet had the chance to use them for real.

It became this sort of embodiment of U.S. support for Ukraine,” said Charap, who previously served as a senior advisor to the State Department’s undersecretary for arms control. “It’s much more headline-grabbing than helping them with their logistics, which by the way is a real problem.”

“While generals and politicians in Kyiv played up the Javelins, in my own experience, soldiers in the field talked more about getting insufficient quantities of the nonlethal aid that they really needed—secure communications, armored vehicles, counterbattery radars,” said Olga Oliker, the director for Europe and Central Asia at the International Crisis Group.



https://crooksandliars.com/2019/11/us-requires-ukraine-keep-javelins-100s?utm_source=social&utm_medium=twitter&utm_content=23779

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US Requires Ukraine Keep Javelins 100's Of Miles From Battlefield (Original Post) RandySF Nov 2019 OP
So the US sells these weapons to Ukraine malaise Nov 2019 #1
I don't recall the US gab13by13 Nov 2019 #2
Limitations on use after agreements are common. But here tRump wants to please Putin. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #3
It's a symbolic thing, apparently. NCLefty Nov 2019 #4

malaise

(269,054 posts)
1. So the US sells these weapons to Ukraine
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 06:48 AM
Nov 2019

and then tells them what they can do with them.
IS this a joke?

gab13by13

(21,359 posts)
2. I don't recall the US
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 07:37 AM
Nov 2019

telling Saudi Arabia they could only use our bombs for self defense, we didn't even tell them not to bomb civilians. Well, Trump did get to touch the glowing orb and do the sword dance.

We give Israel 4 billion dollars a year, anyone wonder if Trump tells Bibi what he is allowed to do with that money? I guess Bibi can use some of that money for lawyers.

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