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babylonsister

(171,070 posts)
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:10 AM Nov 2019

Forget the Oval. The real Trump action is in the residence.

Forget the Oval. The real Trump action is in the residence.
Fixated on impeachment proceedings against him, Trump is increasingly taking his official business to the White House’s executive residence to escape perceived risks of his formal office space.
By NANCY COOK
11/24/2019 06:47 AM EST
Updated: 11/24/2019 08:03 AM EST


The Oval Office is the traditional epicenter of power for American presidents, but a new one is emerging that’s more exclusive, more secluded and more convenient.

President Donald Trump is increasingly morphing the White House residence into a second Oval. It’s become the place where Trump feels most productive, where he avoids meddling by his staff and where he speed-dials his network of confidantes, GOP lawmakers and TV pundits.

The residence was where Trump made the infamous July 25 phone call to the Ukrainian president that’s now at the center of impeachment proceedings. It’s where Trump often meets his personal attorneys to plot legal strategy or campaign advisers to shape 2020 campaign moves. And last week it became the location for a Trump meeting that’s as official as any, hosting Federal Reserve chair Jerome Powell — the target of countless Trump twitter attacks — along with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin for a Monday morning discussion of monetary policy.

Maintaining a sanctuary to work and think has taken on greater importance for the president as he increasingly feels under siege by the Democratic impeachment inquiry. Frustrated by the whistleblower complaint and a parade of administration officials testifying on Capitol Hill, Trump is as wary as ever of the staffers around him and distrustful of the traditional White House infrastructure. Working from his private quarters gives him space away from what he perceives as prying eyes and guards against his omnipresent fear of leaks to the media.

It also gives Trump a greater sense of control as he faces the dual challenges of impeachment and his reelection, according to interviews with a half dozen current and former senior administration officials.

“The Oval presents itself as historic and it gives off a sense of power, but the residence has a sense of exclusivity,” said a former senior administration official, describing Trump’s affinity for conducting business there. “He works more in the residence because he is not constrained there by staffers knocking on the door.”


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https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/24/trump-white-house-residence-power-epicenter-073139
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Forget the Oval. The real Trump action is in the residence. (Original Post) babylonsister Nov 2019 OP
Trump is such a coward PJMcK Nov 2019 #1
+1 5X Nov 2019 #2
He's a crazy and paranoid old man. Rorey Nov 2019 #3
I cannot imagine what his psyche is like PJMcK Nov 2019 #4
He has no mental/psychological peace. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2019 #47
It gives me pleasure to know that deep inside, he is a tortured human being. smirkymonkey Nov 2019 #55
Paranoid is an accurate descriptor for the Idiot right now onetexan Nov 2019 #5
We can be sure of one thing, Scarsdale Nov 2019 #17
I'm sure the pre-nup says she can't get out till he croaks... Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #26
Melania is a Russian plant. flying_wahini Nov 2019 #42
Yup, I've thought that for years NT Rorey Nov 2019 #45
Even paranoid people have enemies. gab13by13 Nov 2019 #23
And the thing of it is... Newest Reality Nov 2019 #54
He neither works nor thinks. I hope that everyday is a living hell for MF45. CottonBear Nov 2019 #6
Those staffers knocking on the door have work for him to do muriel_volestrangler Nov 2019 #7
And many of those staffers are political appointees with no experience in government. Lonestarblue Nov 2019 #21
Big change from the OA that anyone could and did wander Hortensis Nov 2019 #39
Reminds me of the late years of Howard Hughes, living an isolated Tanuki Nov 2019 #8
that popped into my mind, as well. mopinko Nov 2019 #14
Or making his pronouncements from the gold-plated throne - tweeting crap erronis Nov 2019 #31
Reminded me of something True Blue American Nov 2019 #43
I'll bet his next move wil be to actually move from the WH. He thought it was patricia92243 Nov 2019 #9
This is the guy who makes phone calls and tweets on a completely insecure cell phone-- dawg day Nov 2019 #12
Yes, he'll move to one of his golf clubs outside of Washington entirely! machoneman Nov 2019 #32
"prying eyes" -- ahem..... KentuckyWoman Nov 2019 #10
"Work and think"-- well, that proves this is utterly empty of fact- dawg day Nov 2019 #11
I know! This is what drives me crazy about the media. tanyev Nov 2019 #16
Know what you mean and am sometimes irritated also, but Hortensis Nov 2019 #33
He can also stay in his jammies all day until it's time to go play golf. What a pathetic catbyte Nov 2019 #13
Trump is a enemy magnet where they do not exist he creates them. gordianot Nov 2019 #15
Bunker mentality UpInArms Nov 2019 #18
My exact thought. Hortensis Nov 2019 #24
Bingo. paleotn Nov 2019 #37
He needs to be close to his stash. Sugar Smack Nov 2019 #19
This has been mentioned in books before. Think this Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #20
My understanding's been most presidents don't use the Oval office. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2019 #22
This can't be making Putin happy... Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #25
I'm wondering at what point he becomes a bigger liablility to Russia. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2019 #48
nobody told him about the cameras and microphones in the residence? Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #27
It could be that he doesn't want to go to work and the knowledge that he was installed by Russia ... Botany Nov 2019 #28
Twittler's bunker. Zoonart Nov 2019 #29
. dalton99a Nov 2019 #30
"A sanctuary to work and think" CanonRay Nov 2019 #34
TR specifically built the West Wing so his family would have more room in the residence Dennis Donovan Nov 2019 #35
Isolation. paleotn Nov 2019 #36
He 'works' more in residence....yeah they should of just stuck to the word plot instead. nt UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #38
How long before Stormy is making house calls to WH residence? usaf-vet Nov 2019 #40
In other words, no demands on him to actually DO any part of his job dixiegrrrrl Nov 2019 #49
The paranoia at the center of his psyche will eventually NoMoreRepugs Nov 2019 #41
Residence is where he be an "emperor" and not have to be a team player running the country. iluvtennis Nov 2019 #44
Said it before - just a few steps away from Howard Hughes territory underpants Nov 2019 #46
He might not have Howard Hughes' money, but at least he's got Howard Hughes' paranoia. mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #50
George Conway thinks it may be linked to the Con's unexpected trip to Walter Reed last week. CrispyQ Nov 2019 #51
That entire article in 8 words: Donald sits on the shitter tweeting all day. n/t Still In Wisconsin Nov 2019 #52
It's suspect that he's adopted this behavior since his emergency "physical" at Walter Reed, not to m Gothmog Nov 2019 #53

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
1. Trump is such a coward
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:14 AM
Nov 2019

He's afraid of everything!

By the way, Trump doesn't work in the residence. He doesn't really work at all. He watches TV and tweets. That's work?!

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
3. He's a crazy and paranoid old man.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:22 AM
Nov 2019

I wouldn't trade lives with him for all of the money in the world, but he deserves all of the hell he's going through right now.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
4. I cannot imagine what his psyche is like
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:26 AM
Nov 2019

Trump is always angry, jealous, paranoid and just plain crazy.

His inner monologue must be a cacophony of nonsense.

What miserable piece of shit!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
47. He has no mental/psychological peace.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:28 PM
Nov 2019


His severe narcissism means he must be "right" and "perfect" all the time.
So he has to work every minute to present a good front, to catch and "correct" anything that would make him look/sound "wrong".
Just that alone would be exhausting. Then he has to defend himself against the "wrongs", which in his case
is by attacking the source/person, with intent to utterly destroy the source. No middle ground.
Thus the bombastic tweets, the threat of lawsuits, etc.
Meanwhile, he has to lie constantly to convince everyone/himself he is the richest/tallest/ biggest/best/etc
person in the entire universe and all of history.
He can't shut up for a minute because in that silence he hears the accusing critical voice in his mind.

Just all of that sounds insurmountable. Add to the mix his amazing ignorance of most subjects, his inability to be taught anything ( because perfect people know everything all the time), and his total inability to understand people other than objects, certainly not their feelings....
which of course creates constant problems with other people's expectations and demands of at least, at a minimum, a veneer of civility, all this adds to a perpetual self defeating cycle.
In all honesty, I am surprised he has made it this far in his life, just from the Mental health standpoint.

Then there's the lousy lifestyle factor, which of course he cannot see/admit to. And god knows whatever drugs ...uhhh, I mean medications...he is on.
Really quite amazing.







 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
55. It gives me pleasure to know that deep inside, he is a tortured human being.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 02:53 PM
Nov 2019

Who needs to go asap, because he is destroying the rest of us as well.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
17. We can be sure of one thing,
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:08 AM
Nov 2019

Maleria would never bother him. She keeps her distance, waiting for the Mother Ship to beam her up and away.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
54. And the thing of it is...
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 02:07 PM
Nov 2019

We are paying for his playful and rude indulgences in many, many ways. This loser does this all on our dime and lives his lavish lifestyle without paying a price for it, just like his "business" career.

Now it becomes clearer how he needed lots of Daddy's money and an inheritance to stay afloat as well as how stiffing just about everyone along the way supported him. He bankrupted a casino, A CASINO, for gosh sakes.

So, his skill has been in crafting and maintaining a facade and it has some sociopath elements to go with the narcissism. That's all he really is good at as far as I can see, putting on and polishing a facade based on braggadocio and pomp and keeping the bull feces running on high. That's all Trump really is.

So, America has to retract from this confidence game, because that's what it turns out to be. His destructive tendencies are leaking out all over the place into our agencies, policies, economics, etc. It's a trumpian cancer, its malignant and that tumor has to go.

CottonBear

(21,596 posts)
6. He neither works nor thinks. I hope that everyday is a living hell for MF45.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:28 AM
Nov 2019

He has no friends, he’s paranoid, stupid and unhealthy. He will never be able to go out in public for the rest of his sorry life without being protested, mocked and jeered.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
7. Those staffers knocking on the door have work for him to do
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:34 AM
Nov 2019

so it's unsurprising he's shirking. He's letting the country go further into decline. Either decisions won't be made, or the staffers will have to make them, and run the risk of him second-guessing them.

And I doubt the Oval Office has a prominent TV in it - it would give the game away in official photos that he spends his time watching Fox News rather than running the country.

Lonestarblue

(10,011 posts)
21. And many of those staffers are political appointees with no experience in government.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:27 AM
Nov 2019

Trump hires only people who swear personal loyalty or those who are just as corrupt as he is (like lying Mulvaney), not those with expertise who might tell him that he’s wrong. By holding meetings relating to government business in the residence without staff present, Trump is violating the open government/open records laws because I’m sure no records of the discussions are prepared.

Trump’s calendar also lists hours of executive time most days. I’ve long suspected that he is using this time to run the Trump Organization because his sons are not making buckets of money for him. We would have seen many more problems without career staff to keep the government functioning since Trump does nothing but work on the corrupt deals that benefit him personally. I suspect he also needs lots of coaching to memorize what he will say to press so he doesn’t come across as a mental patient, which he sometimes does.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. Big change from the OA that anyone could and did wander
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:29 AM
Nov 2019

into. Isolation and consulting mainly with those on speed dial are scary, but mostly I've always felt the less attention he pays to work the better.

I'd guess paranoia and other problems wouldn't allow him to stop his obsessive viewing, frightening and enraging as it must be. That 53-minute rant through Fox to his supporters must have been a way of getting what he thought of as positive coverage.

Now I'm remembering those videos, though, that staffers prepared of clips showing him in all his favorite moments. He reportedly loved to watch those for hours, also showing them repetitively to almost anyone, including to visiting dignitaries, and my guess is he's spending more time with them than ever. Probably while Miller admires them with him and whispers suggestions in his ear for who to take his rage out on next.

Tanuki

(14,918 posts)
8. Reminds me of the late years of Howard Hughes, living an isolated
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:47 AM
Nov 2019

and reclusive existence in a hotel room, paranoid and obsessive, shuffling around with Kleenex boxes on his feet to protect himself from imaginary germs.

https://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug05/hughes

erronis

(15,299 posts)
31. Or making his pronouncements from the gold-plated throne - tweeting crap
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:03 AM
Nov 2019

Didn't he catch Tillerson on the crapper once - to fire his sorry ass?

True Blue American

(17,985 posts)
43. Reminded me of something
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 12:07 PM
Nov 2019

Hughes, yes, also Nixon. Next thing we know Trump will be doing business from his bed.

patricia92243

(12,597 posts)
9. I'll bet his next move wil be to actually move from the WH. He thought it was
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:47 AM
Nov 2019

bugged when he first moved there. As he gets crazier, I think he will move to his hotel in Washington - or even go so far as to move to Maralogo or even Camp David.

What he really needs to do is resign and move back to wherever it is that he feels safe.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
12. This is the guy who makes phone calls and tweets on a completely insecure cell phone--
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:51 AM
Nov 2019

He's not worried about security. He just wants to tweet and eat and watch TV all day without anyone around.

machoneman

(4,007 posts)
32. Yes, he'll move to one of his golf clubs outside of Washington entirely!
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:03 AM
Nov 2019

And maybe plan to never go back to the WH except for rare visits. No recordings, no staff, just his mightyness!

KentuckyWoman

(6,685 posts)
10. "prying eyes" -- ahem.....
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:48 AM
Nov 2019

The twisted shit that gives him jollies isn't fit for humanity. THAT's what he doesn't want leaked out.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
11. "Work and think"-- well, that proves this is utterly empty of fact-
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:50 AM
Nov 2019

Because those are two things Trump doesn't do.

tanyev

(42,564 posts)
16. I know! This is what drives me crazy about the media.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:04 AM
Nov 2019

Man with personality disorder obsessively tweets nonsense about baseless conspiracy theories and they describe it as "He also uses it during working hours as a place to watch TV freely, tweet and serve as own his one-man communications director and political strategist". It gives him a veneer of rationality and normalcy that he in no way deserves.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
33. Know what you mean and am sometimes irritated also, but
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:04 AM
Nov 2019

regular readers of WaPo, NYT, etc., are not at all mislead and understand these carefully objective statements. "A place to watch TV freely" and "serving as his own one-man communications director and political strategist" really DO portray extreme functional disorder to those who have a good idea of what normalcy is and is not.

I often hie myself off to other sources for additional, hopefully juicier details that may or may not be true because they haven't been confirmed or not yet passed the WaPo's rigorous editorial scrutiny, or often just don't fit its journalistic style. Is it important to understanding current events to know that Trump's taken to scratching his balls a lot? I made that up, but if he does we'll learn about it at Daily Kos, or right here of course.

catbyte

(34,402 posts)
13. He can also stay in his jammies all day until it's time to go play golf. What a pathetic
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 09:54 AM
Nov 2019

state of affairs.

gordianot

(15,238 posts)
15. Trump is a enemy magnet where they do not exist he creates them.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:02 AM
Nov 2019

To actually know or support him you have to be hateful, being close to him exposes you to his hate.

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
18. Bunker mentality
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:14 AM
Nov 2019

bunker mentality:

n. An attitude of extreme defensiveness and self-justification based on an often exaggerated sense of being under persistent attack from others.

Sugar Smack

(18,748 posts)
19. He needs to be close to his stash.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:25 AM
Nov 2019

He probably has little hoards of cocaine and Adderall within easy reach.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
20. This has been mentioned in books before. Think this
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:26 AM
Nov 2019

is when some brave souls should tap the room. Where all the crimes get perpetrated.

Btw - the term "executive residence" is laughable. More like the Ronald McDonald House. Or a locked, grease laden den of crime and slime.

No worries about trump not vacating when he loses. He won't be able to last 24 hrs without golf. As soon as he leaves, we pry the doors open and send in the hazmet teams to fumigate. Hell, not sure if our new president would even want to ever sleep there though.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,840 posts)
22. My understanding's been most presidents don't use the Oval office.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:35 AM
Nov 2019

There's a 'presidential study' close by that's more of a functional office with the usual office-y accoutrements. The Oval gets used for ceremonial stuff and projecting/bestowing power.

Wounded Bear

(58,666 posts)
25. This can't be making Putin happy...
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:44 AM
Nov 2019

after he went to all the trouble to bug the Oval Office in the big after inauguration meeting.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
48. I'm wondering at what point he becomes a bigger liablility to Russia.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:34 PM
Nov 2019

And they decide to put Pence in place.

Which would explain the incredible patience Pence has been showing, the faithful uncomplaining understudy waiting for the chance to take to the stage.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
28. It could be that he doesn't want to go to work and the knowledge that he was installed by Russia ...
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 10:57 AM
Nov 2019

... is eating him alive. His Friday morning call to Fox and Fiends from his bedroom was an example of his
descent into madness.

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
35. TR specifically built the West Wing so his family would have more room in the residence
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:09 AM
Nov 2019

...now Trump's trying to undo that, on top of every other norm he's busted.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
36. Isolation.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:11 AM
Nov 2019

Lots of tyrants, strongmen and dictators have done the same when the walls start closing in and they perceive they can't trust anyone. When things don't improve, they start distrusting even their most trusted inner circle. Seems that usually occurs towards the end of the spiral. I think he's just about spent, physically, emotionally and politically.

usaf-vet

(6,189 posts)
40. How long before Stormy is making house calls to WH residence?
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:33 AM
Nov 2019

“He works more in the residence because he is not constrained there by staffers knocking on the door.”

What a line of BS. The "works more" what a laugh.

It's starting to sound a little like Hitler's bunker mentality.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
49. In other words, no demands on him to actually DO any part of his job
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:42 PM
Nov 2019

Wondering if he did golf this weekend.....I know I read he did not go last weekend.

Ohhh...and 4 day holiday coming up, folks are gonna be too pre-occupied to engage in mindless chatter with him.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,435 posts)
41. The paranoia at the center of his psyche will eventually
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 11:37 AM
Nov 2019

drive him out of the residence and into the closet or basement.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,488 posts)
50. He might not have Howard Hughes' money, but at least he's got Howard Hughes' paranoia.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 01:19 PM
Nov 2019
He might not have Howard Hughes’ money, but at least he’s got Howard Hughes’ paranoia.


CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
51. George Conway thinks it may be linked to the Con's unexpected trip to Walter Reed last week.
Mon Nov 25, 2019, 01:23 PM
Nov 2019

I could see that. Wouldn't want nurses hanging around the Oval Office - might look like the Con isn't in the perfect health his fake doctor claimed he was in.

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