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meadowlander

(4,397 posts)
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 02:16 PM Nov 2019

"He was wrong, but it's not impeachable."

The next time a Republican pulls out this talking point, I wish one of the journalists would ask them "Obstruction of justice, abuse of power, contempt of Congress - those are the three articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon. Is your view that Nixon should not have been impeached?

Lying under oath and obstruction of justice were the articles against Bill Clinton. Is your view that that is not an impeachable offense and (if Lindsey Graham or other old codger in the Senate) do you now regret your decision to vote to impeach President Clinton?"

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"He was wrong, but it's not impeachable." (Original Post) meadowlander Nov 2019 OP
Yes that is their view because without the tapes Nixon would not of been impeached. nt UniteFightBack Nov 2019 #1
Clinton was impeached for lying about a consensual sexual relationship. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #2
They would say because he didn't get a "catch and kill" or NDA. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2019 #3
There were no tapes with Clinton and yet he was impeached. nt pnwmom Nov 2019 #12
Actually, it's because MurrayDelph Nov 2019 #6
But the BJ gave them an excuse, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #7
GOP hypocrisy is Gargantuan. What Trump did is treason. Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #4
I have been calling it treason handmade34 Nov 2019 #5
All Democrats need to call it what it is. Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #8
He is Republican, so it's not impeachable. Mr. Ected Nov 2019 #9
But, but, greymattermom Nov 2019 #10
This is what I say: Poiuyt Nov 2019 #11

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,734 posts)
2. Clinton was impeached for lying about a consensual sexual relationship.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 02:20 PM
Nov 2019

I want someone to explain to me why that was worse than what Trump has done.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,734 posts)
7. But the BJ gave them an excuse,
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 04:54 PM
Nov 2019

even though some of the rest of the impeachers were philandering even more than Clinton ever did (I'm looking right at you, Newt Gingrich).

Kid Berwyn

(14,909 posts)
4. GOP hypocrisy is Gargantuan. What Trump did is treason.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 03:25 PM
Nov 2019

He aided the Russians (treason-crime 1) by withholding aid authorized by Congress (crime 2) to force an ally under attack by Russia to invent a conspiracy against innocent American citizens (crime 3) to assist his political campaign (crime 4).

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
5. I have been calling it treason
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 04:30 PM
Nov 2019

for sometime now... but I would just be happy with impeachment and removal at this point

Kid Berwyn

(14,909 posts)
8. All Democrats need to call it what it is.
Sun Nov 24, 2019, 05:50 PM
Nov 2019

Trump’s pinheads benefit from the complex narrative. It buys them time.

We waste ours explaining their lies, crimes and treason.

Thank you for making the case clear. What Trump did was treason:

Trump’s actions as pee-resident help Russia and hurt America.

Poiuyt

(18,125 posts)
11. This is what I say:
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 08:09 AM
Nov 2019

1) There's no question that he pressured Ukraine to investigate the Bidens before he would release military aid. It was on the "transcript" of the phone call, and several first hand witnesses corroborate the facts.

2) The federal statutes are very clear about what constitutes bribery, and what trump did fits these statutes to a t. (Whoever, being a public official, directly or indirectly, corruptly demands anything of value personally in return for being influenced in the performance of any official act has engaged in the crime of bribery.)

3) Bribery is one of two crimes specifically mentioned (along with high crimes and misdemeanors) in the Constitution as justification for impeachment.

These three factors make a clear cut case for impeachment.

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