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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAt This Point, Will Republicans Support Trump Arresting the Democratic Nominee?
It seems like there are more and more disclosures regarding how Republicans in Congress and in the Trump administration have been actively involved in Trump's corrupt efforts to fabricate an investigation into Biden along with Barr opening up criminal investigations to justify surveillance of Democratic campaigns.
At this point, is there any upside to Republicans to suddenly start respecting the Constitution and holding Trump accountable? Or, is it more likely that they go all the way and sign-off any effort by Trump to simply hold onto power irrespective of the election? Why not go full dictatorship at this point?
If Trump loses, both he and many Republicans are going to be subject to criminal prosecution. Therefore, what is to keep Republicans from simply holding onto power. Elections? Why not just cancel them or ignore them? Just have Fox News run with their theory that the Ukranians hacked the election, and ignore any Democratic victories. Or, just declare the elections void?
The point is at this point, what is to keep Trump from simply arresting and charging whoever happens to be the Democratic nominee? They have already shown the lengths they are willing to take to fabricate a scandal.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)can do whatever the hell he wants. Well, I guess a willing Republican majority in the Senate is also required, but it's become abundantly clear nobody with an R in front of their name, apart from maybe Mitt, is willing to go against Trump in the least. Sure, maybe Susan Collins might be "troubled" or maybe even "concerned" and Murkowski might clutch her pearls, but in the end they do as they're told. No, I believe there is zero chance of Trump ever leaving office peacefully.
ooky
(8,924 posts)no matter what he has to do to stay there. I think in his deluded mind he considers himself a full blown dictator. So, as we get closer to the elections, if he believes he is losing based on polling, it would not shock me that he could try to cook up a fake national emergency and use it as justification to delay elections for as long as he possibly could. As incredible as that sounds, Barr and the Rs have pretty much set the table for Trump to try doing that. And, worse, he may get away with it, for a while, while we wait for the court challenges and appeals.
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)He has threatened to arrest all of his political opponents so far including Hillary, Obama, and Biden. Who will be next?
The question is this? Will we sit quietly by when it starts?
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)murielm99
(30,745 posts)I think this will happen. Then all hell will break loose.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)thinking this for a while, unfortunately. Yes, all hell will break loose.
There has to be a shocking, pivotal moment, to really bring this monster down. A shock that NO one can ignore or gloss over.
Like literally shooting someone on 5th Ave.
ChazInAz
(2,569 posts)The election year of 1968 was shocking, with its back-to-back political murders of Bobby Kennedy and Reverend King and the horrors of the Chicago convention.
That was the year I woke up politically.
Miguelito Loveless
(4,465 posts)Next question.
DFW
(54,405 posts)Yes, they are THAT indoctrinated. They want Fox Noise to be the ONLY media outlet allowed. Collins and Murkowski will voice their "concern," as usual, but they do not have the fortitude or the moral fiber to stand in the way of such an action. Barr would just invent some legal mumbo jumbo to justify it, and smirk as he goes along. After all, the president can't arrest anybody. The Justice Department can.
However, it is far from sure that all of the judiciary and the military would go along with it. Alito, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and Thomas would go along, but Roberts probably would not. Should the coup fail, he would not want his name in the history books as having gone along with a traitorous coup.
"Against all enemies, foreign and domestic."
Military historians will point out what happened to the military elite of the Soviet Union under Stalin. The more Stalin's power grew, the fewer of them found themselves alive. I think they will take their chances with a democrat (small d). The American military has never undertaken such a bold intervention into domestic politics before, but never have we had deranged dictator before, either.
Some of our more shadowy organizations might not go along, either. CIA, NSA, DIA, etc. will not be interested in being subjugated to the likes of Trump, and if such a coup occurs, their autonomy would be a thing of the past. It would be bloody and probably make the Civil War look tame in its savagery, but if anything of the sort were to occur, I bet it wold be over in a few days, with the Republican Party enjoying the status of the NSDAP in Germany in May 1945. Mop up operations of right wing militias in rural areas would take longer, but there would be no further inhibition against initiating them. The 300 pound beer belly guys with six hunting rifles in log cabins in Michigan and Wisconsin will not be putting up extended resistance against army ranger units armed with bazookas and tanks. Look for NATO countries, especially Canada and France (Britian, too, if BoJo is gone), to answer a call for help against an armed Republican coup attempt, assuming the whole thing were to take longer than 48 hours.
Initech
(100,081 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)If Trump is behind in the polls, he will 100% have Barr arrest the Democratic candidate.
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)Even with Barr as AG?
There are enough things to hate about Trump without making up new ones out of thin air.
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)...of the origins of the Russia investigation? Also, Trump has clearly retaliated against conscientious employees who refuse to break the law.
Finally, the whole basis behind the Russia scandal.was to create a pretext for investigating Biden. Am I missing something?
jayfish
(10,039 posts)They are in reactive mode and making it up as they go along. Very dangerous.