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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 12:43 PM Nov 2019

BREAKING: House Oversight suing AG Bill Barr & Commerce Sec Wilbur Ross for refusing to answer congr

BREAKING: House Oversight suing AG Bill Barr and Commerce Sec Wilbur Ross for refusing to answer congressional subpoenas for records on the Trump admin efforts to add a citizenship question to the 2020 Census. @CourthouseNews



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BREAKING: House Oversight suing AG Bill Barr & Commerce Sec Wilbur Ross for refusing to answer congr (Original Post) MelissaB Nov 2019 OP
Hope they get asked about the oligarchs they work for. Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #1
What would happen to me if a refused to show up when issued a subpoena. olegramps Nov 2019 #32
Is that a rhetorical photo? Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #33
SUE. THEM. FOR. EVERYTHING. Raster Nov 2019 #2
Sue them for treason. Drumpf thinks that is a civil action. n/t rzemanfl Nov 2019 #5
yep. keep slugging! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #19
It's not that kind of lawsuit StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #31
Time to spritz a little daylight into this corruption. joost5 Nov 2019 #3
Hope it gets disBarr actually disbarred! donkeypoofed Nov 2019 #4
He needs to be impeached wryter2000 Nov 2019 #7
We'll get a final ruling on this Wednesdays Nov 2019 #6
Yep. volstork Nov 2019 #10
2025, during Trump's third term approved by supreme Court DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #15
SCOUTS can't do that..even with the House and Senate AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #23
they are totally DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #26
SCOTUS is.."totally ignoring the constitution now".....How? AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #27
I am old DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #28
Yes malaise Nov 2019 #8
A Lawsuit? Rollerman Nov 2019 #9
EXACTLY!!! Duppers Nov 2019 #12
That's not really a practicle thing you know...who jails 'em? AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #24
They're going to court to get a court order enforcing the subpoena StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #29
Yes! cp Nov 2019 #11
Wow, looks like Rep Carolyn Maloney is .. ananda Nov 2019 #13
Hear, hear! soldierant Nov 2019 #18
I don't have time to read the docs now, but is this basically a civil contempt suit? CaptainTruth Nov 2019 #14
No. It's a suit for Declaratory Judgment and Injunction - essentially asking the court to order StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #30
I celebrated this occasion by purchasing multiple pocket sized copies Mersky Nov 2019 #16
Every damn person in trumpworld thinks they are above the law. spanone Nov 2019 #17
They answer to Scarsdale Nov 2019 #20
Hopefully this will come before a judge who actually cares Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2019 #21
And would be immediately appealed...if they get a negative ruling. AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #25
It's not a typical civil lawsuit that you may be used to StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #22
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
31. It's not that kind of lawsuit
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 12:37 AM
Nov 2019

It's a request for declaratory judgment and injunction - they're seeking a court order enforcing the subpoenas.

joost5

(421 posts)
3. Time to spritz a little daylight into this corruption.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 12:49 PM
Nov 2019

And start putting people in the slammer for not complying with the law.

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
15. 2025, during Trump's third term approved by supreme Court
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 02:29 PM
Nov 2019

And Republican Senate.....(And Republican House by that point)

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
23. SCOUTS can't do that..even with the House and Senate
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:50 PM
Nov 2019

You would still need 2/3rd's of the States to revoke the 22nd

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
26. they are totally
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 09:08 PM
Nov 2019

they are totally ignoring the constitution now, what makes you think they wouldn't steam roll that too.

Would you honestly put anything past this crowd? I sure as hell wouldn't, not for a second........

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
28. I am old
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 12:31 AM
Nov 2019

I am old and do not have the time or energy to do the research to present what I find to you.....

HOWEVER, what comes to mind first is the 2000 Presidential election where they had no right whatsoever to intervene in the State of Florida recount that was demanded by the state of Florida. There is nowhere in the U.S. Constitutuion giving them the rights that they usurped to decide that W "won"........

Or deciding that a Corporation or worse yet a foreign country, even a country not an allie has the right to freedom of speech, just like a U.S. resident/human being in 2010...........

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
24. That's not really a practicle thing you know...who jails 'em?
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 07:58 PM
Nov 2019

What court upholds that jailing? Due process applies to dirt bags as much as it does to non-dirt bags.
They'd be released in 11 minutes...and the optics...hand the pukes a campaign add..."The Democrats are jailing us for asserting our Constitutional rights...what's next, denying us 5th Amendment protection"

There isn' a Democratic Hose Chairperson that is going to pull the IC trigger...their lawyers know a crap ton more than you do.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
29. They're going to court to get a court order enforcing the subpoena
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 12:33 AM
Nov 2019

A lot more effective than trying to do inherent contempt, no matter how satisfying the "lock 'em up in the basement" crowd may think inherent contempt may be.

ananda

(28,865 posts)
13. Wow, looks like Rep Carolyn Maloney is ..
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 02:25 PM
Nov 2019

.. filling Elijah Cummings' big shoes very well !!!

Thank goodness for great Dems!!!

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
30. No. It's a suit for Declaratory Judgment and Injunction - essentially asking the court to order
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 12:35 AM
Nov 2019

Ross and Barr to comply with the subpoenas. The court no doubt will issue such an order - and if they defy it, they'll be in contempt of court, which is much more serious and has a stronger enforcement mechanism than contempt of Congress does.

Mersky

(4,982 posts)
16. I celebrated this occasion by purchasing multiple pocket sized copies
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 02:32 PM
Nov 2019

...of The Constitution. Will compare the different publishings, then start handing them out like breath mints.

barr and ross are walking mockeries of the offices they hold.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
22. It's not a typical civil lawsuit that you may be used to
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 05:37 PM
Nov 2019

The Committee isn't suing for damages, but asking the court for an declaratory judgment and injunction against Barr and Ross. In short, they're asking the court to enforce the subpoenas, as they've done in other cases, including the case that was decides yesterday.

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