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Farmergene

(76 posts)
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 02:47 PM Nov 2019

"By repeating his guilt"

I cought just that phrase from an @npr program last night. I'm not even sure which one because I was driving and traffic turned sour, fast. So after my drive I did some searching, and found this article[link:https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/inside-founding-fathers-debate-over-what-constituted-impeachable-offense-180965083/| from the @Smithsonian that tells of the debate over impeachment at the constitutional convention. I feel each and every US citizen should read what George Mason had to say in 1787 on the subject. My favorite part:

Shall any man be above justice?” Mason asked. “Shall that man be above it who can commit the most extensive injustice?” A presidential candidate might bribe the electors to gain the presidency, Mason suggested. “Shall the man who has practiced corruption, and by that means procured his appointment in the first instance, be suffered to escape punishment by repeating his guilt?”

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"By repeating his guilt" (Original Post) Farmergene Nov 2019 OP
Recommended. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #1
Kick Mike 03 Nov 2019 #2
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2019 #3
Excellent: "A presidential candidate might bribe the electors to gain the presidency" erronis Nov 2019 #4
Thanks Farmergene Nov 2019 #5

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. Recommended.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 02:49 PM
Nov 2019

Welcome to DU.

Trump does feel he should be a king. And the GOP has no problem with stealing elections, and illegal acts in general that benefit the GOP.

erronis

(15,290 posts)
4. Excellent: "A presidential candidate might bribe the electors to gain the presidency"
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 05:09 PM
Nov 2019

Can't imagine this happening to those non-elected electors...

Such a good article in the Smithsonian.

Mason, fearful of an unchecked, out-of-control president, proposed adding “maladministration” as a third cause for impeaching the president. Such a charge was already grounds for impeachment in six states, including Virginia.

But on this point, Madison objected. The scholarly Princeton graduate, a generation younger than Mason at age 36, saw a threat to the balance of powers he’d helped devise. “So vague a term will be equivalent to a tenure during pleasure of the Senate,” he argued. In other words, Madison feared the Senate would use the word “maladministration” as an excuse to remove the president whenever it wanted.

So Mason offered a substitute: “other high crimes and misdemeanors against the State.” The English Parliament had included a similarly worded phrase in its articles of impeachment since 1450. This compromise satisfied Madison and most of the other Convention delegates. They approved Mason’s amendment without further debate, 8 states to 3, but added “against the United States,” to avoid ambiguity.

Farmergene

(76 posts)
5. Thanks
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 05:19 PM
Nov 2019

For the welcome. I have mostly been lurking for the last sevetal months. A great community!

That article has so many tasty bits that directly apply to the condition our government is in today.

Mason, Madison, and Randolph all spoke up to defend impeachment on July 20, after Charles Pinckney of South Carolina and Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania moved to strike it. “[If the president] should be re-elected, that will be sufficient proof of his innocence,” Morris argued. “[Impeachment] will render the Executive dependent on those who are to impeach

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