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Question for every American (Original Post) malaise Nov 2019 OP
I'm sure you noticed we are a huge bunch of hypocrites dewsgirl Nov 2019 #1
It's not ok for the US to do so. mahina Nov 2019 #2
Might make Right, until safeinOhio Nov 2019 #3
Freedom, democracy & self-determination are good. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #4
But just fine in Central America? safeinOhio Nov 2019 #5
I didn't know United Fruit Co was still running US foreign policy. BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #8
It never stopped and goes on today. safeinOhio Nov 2019 #9
You do realize that many of these current problems stem for the US *NOT* getting involved BuffaloJackalope Nov 2019 #10
I love the imperialism thrown in there malaise Nov 2019 #12
Apparently you forgot the US celebrations when the Soviet Union collapsed malaise Nov 2019 #14
Motivation is the key. Maribelle Nov 2019 #6
In our case, usually to advance corporate powers. ret5hd Nov 2019 #7
Usually? malaise Nov 2019 #15
Yeah, I know. But I hate coming off as an absolutist... ret5hd Nov 2019 #16
LOL malaise Nov 2019 #17
Take war crimes, the US charges other countries doc03 Nov 2019 #11
I just heard one of the hacks on M$NBComcast saying malaise Nov 2019 #13
We ask this question every day, Malaise, every day! 7wo7rees Nov 2019 #18
Rich people who run US want their stuff. Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #19
It's not just the US malaise Nov 2019 #20
It was not ok for the US to do it treestar Nov 2019 #21
Was? malaise Nov 2019 #22
The US is responsible for keeping all the countries to the south of us lunatica Nov 2019 #23
No doubt but don't give the colonial powers a pass malaise Nov 2019 #24
It should be OK, and it should be mutual ck4829 Dec 2019 #25
Neither are ok. lark Dec 2019 #26
Both are wrong. Farmer-Rick Dec 2019 #27
Realpolitiks, whatever they can get away with, but traitors in the WH helping No. brush Dec 2019 #28
Rec, but caveated. Mc Mike Dec 2019 #29
why do we have 600 military bases around the world? IcyPeas Dec 2019 #30
 

BuffaloJackalope

(818 posts)
4. Freedom, democracy & self-determination are good.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:18 AM
Nov 2019

Tyranny, totalitarianism, imperialism are bad.


Russia interfering & subverting our elections here is not the same as the US supporting the opposition to Russia in Ukraine, for example.

safeinOhio

(32,688 posts)
5. But just fine in Central America?
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:21 AM
Nov 2019

The U.S. has been supporting Tyranny, totalitarianism and imperialism there for years.

 

BuffaloJackalope

(818 posts)
8. I didn't know United Fruit Co was still running US foreign policy.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:42 AM
Nov 2019

Well, no. That pretty much ended 70 yrs ago.

 

BuffaloJackalope

(818 posts)
10. You do realize that many of these current problems stem for the US *NOT* getting involved
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:06 AM
Nov 2019

in those countries domestic political situations, at the same time sending the drug dealers, gang members & murderes back to their home countries rather than dealing with them here?

Certainly not a perfect situation - but not the same as interfering directly in a foreign election.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
14. Apparently you forgot the US celebrations when the Soviet Union collapsed
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:16 AM
Nov 2019

I know which system I prefer but sovereign nations can decide their own policies without outsideinterference. Every Western policy is about capitalism not freedom. You must be joking when you mention self- determination.

doc03

(35,346 posts)
11. Take war crimes, the US charges other countries
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 08:46 AM
Nov 2019

with comitting war crimes. But a large portion of people in the US support a president that fires our military for prosecuting our war criminals.


malaise

(269,054 posts)
13. I just heard one of the hacks on M$NBComcast saying
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 10:14 AM
Nov 2019
what some call war crimes in relation to the Con's recent pardon.
It's like nothing has meaning these days

Kid Berwyn

(14,909 posts)
19. Rich people who run US want their stuff.
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:00 PM
Nov 2019

“Money trumps peace.” — George W Bush, Feb. 14, 2007

“War is a racket.” — Maj. Gen. Smedley D. Butler, USMC (ret.)

“Grab all you can, anytime you can.” — Howard Keel, as Levi Walking Bear

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
23. The US is responsible for keeping all the countries to the south of us
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:20 PM
Nov 2019

In the economic situation they’re in. The manipulation is criminal, and has gone on for many generations.

You can trace all the problems they’re having, including Trump’s caging children to the US interference in all the countries.

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
25. It should be OK, and it should be mutual
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 08:26 AM
Dec 2019

Are we creating an equivalent level of dissent in Russia? We should be.

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
27. Both are wrong.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 10:04 AM
Dec 2019

But I might support US interference if they really did support democracy. But they only push capitalism.

And capitalism functions smoother with totalitarianism. Democracy is the opposite of capitalism.

But it doesn't make shorty Putin's Russian mob involvement in distorting our elections any less atrocious. There are other, more democratic ways to address the US pushing capitalism. But Putin is a mobster and knows no other way.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
29. Rec, but caveated.
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 12:52 PM
Dec 2019

IMO, Poppy knocked out Gorby, with the connivance of Putin, and installed a clownish drunk buffoon, Yeltsin. He did a ton of damage to the 'Federation'. Now it's tit for tat. But me and you didn't want that to happen to Russia in the first place. Poppy and Putin did.

And I always hated and spoke against Poppy's gang interfering in other nations' elections and govs. "We" put Hussein in, then "we" had to take him out, put Noriega in, then had to take him out, put Mobutu in, the Taliban in, had to take them out. Aidid in Somalia, Constant in Haiti, Hekmatyar in Afghanistan, etc. I never wanted us to put those swine in, 'we' put them in anyhow. Then 'we' had to go fight against them.

We should never have put Batista or the Shah or Pinochet in, someone else took them out. If anyone on our rightwing's side wants to complain about the personnel change, I can't back the people who took over, but just want to tell our complaining righties, 'shut the fuck up, we should never have been there anyway. You don't like how it turned out, huh? Shut up.'

Pretty much 'regime change' and election theft and propaganda psy ops against sovereign nations are coming from the far right here, it isn't us.

In some ways, the chickens are coming home to roost, because we didn't or couldn't stop our creeps from pulling this crap all over the world, and the blowback is hitting us domestically now. But some of us always were against and spoke out against that swine 'super rich and powerful wasp nazi' crap that was being pulled using our gov apparatus and power.


Most of us aren't in charge, and opposed the bad guys in charge. Incompletely and ineffectively, which is now affecting us. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, so the foreign policy injustice we failed to prevent is now a domestic policy injustice for us.

Even if Carter and Clinton and Obama pulled stuff abroad I opposed, the world at large is far better off when we're in charge than it is when the repugs take over.

The real problem is the nazi backing repugs from the '30's, and Nixon Raygun Poppy li'l bush and Rump.

IcyPeas

(21,889 posts)
30. why do we have 600 military bases around the world?
Mon Dec 2, 2019, 02:27 PM
Dec 2019

we are in every continent except Antarctica

The United States is the largest operator of military bases abroad, with 38 "named bases"[note 1] having active-duty, National Guard, reserve, or civilian personnel as of September 30, 2014. Its largest, in terms of personnel, is Ramstein AB, in Germany, with almost 9,200 personnel.[1][note 2] The Pentagon stated in 2013 that there are "around" 5,000 bases total, with "around" 600 of them overseas.[2] Between October 2015 and October 2017, the US fought terror in 76 countries.[3]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases

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