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Why is it OK for the US and other dominant Western powers to foment dissent in other countries but not OK for Russia or other countries to do the same to the US?
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)here in the US.😉
mahina
(17,668 posts)safeinOhio
(32,688 posts)the Mouse roars.
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)Tyranny, totalitarianism, imperialism are bad.
Russia interfering & subverting our elections here is not the same as the US supporting the opposition to Russia in Ukraine, for example.
safeinOhio
(32,688 posts)The U.S. has been supporting Tyranny, totalitarianism and imperialism there for years.
BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)Well, no. That pretty much ended 70 yrs ago.
safeinOhio
(32,688 posts)BuffaloJackalope
(818 posts)in those countries domestic political situations, at the same time sending the drug dealers, gang members & murderes back to their home countries rather than dealing with them here?
Certainly not a perfect situation - but not the same as interfering directly in a foreign election.
malaise
(269,054 posts)malaise
(269,054 posts)I know which system I prefer but sovereign nations can decide their own policies without outsideinterference. Every Western policy is about capitalism not freedom. You must be joking when you mention self- determination.
Maribelle
(4,783 posts)Does a power want to advance democracy or cause chaos?
ret5hd
(20,495 posts)Ha - everyone should read John Perkins Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
http://library.uniteddiversity.coop/Money_and_Economics/confessions_of_an_economic_hitman.pdf
ret5hd
(20,495 posts)even if I sometimes am.
doc03
(35,346 posts)with comitting war crimes. But a large portion of people in the US support a president that fires our military for prosecuting our war criminals.
malaise
(269,054 posts)It's like nothing has meaning these days
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)It boggles the mind.......
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)Money trumps peace. George W Bush, Feb. 14, 2007
War is a racket. Maj. Gen. Smedley D. Butler, USMC (ret.)
Grab all you can, anytime you can. Howard Keel, as Levi Walking Bear
malaise
(269,054 posts)The Brits have been a big part of this mess and there are others
treestar
(82,383 posts)I never approved that.
It is still going on
lunatica
(53,410 posts)In the economic situation theyre in. The manipulation is criminal, and has gone on for many generations.
You can trace all the problems theyre having, including Trumps caging children to the US interference in all the countries.
malaise
(269,054 posts)Both the US and Britain fugged up Guyana.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)Are we creating an equivalent level of dissent in Russia? We should be.
lark
(23,105 posts)Our actions in Venezuela are despicable.
Farmer-Rick
(10,185 posts)But I might support US interference if they really did support democracy. But they only push capitalism.
And capitalism functions smoother with totalitarianism. Democracy is the opposite of capitalism.
But it doesn't make shorty Putin's Russian mob involvement in distorting our elections any less atrocious. There are other, more democratic ways to address the US pushing capitalism. But Putin is a mobster and knows no other way.
brush
(53,787 posts)Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)IMO, Poppy knocked out Gorby, with the connivance of Putin, and installed a clownish drunk buffoon, Yeltsin. He did a ton of damage to the 'Federation'. Now it's tit for tat. But me and you didn't want that to happen to Russia in the first place. Poppy and Putin did.
And I always hated and spoke against Poppy's gang interfering in other nations' elections and govs. "We" put Hussein in, then "we" had to take him out, put Noriega in, then had to take him out, put Mobutu in, the Taliban in, had to take them out. Aidid in Somalia, Constant in Haiti, Hekmatyar in Afghanistan, etc. I never wanted us to put those swine in, 'we' put them in anyhow. Then 'we' had to go fight against them.
We should never have put Batista or the Shah or Pinochet in, someone else took them out. If anyone on our rightwing's side wants to complain about the personnel change, I can't back the people who took over, but just want to tell our complaining righties, 'shut the fuck up, we should never have been there anyway. You don't like how it turned out, huh? Shut up.'
Pretty much 'regime change' and election theft and propaganda psy ops against sovereign nations are coming from the far right here, it isn't us.
In some ways, the chickens are coming home to roost, because we didn't or couldn't stop our creeps from pulling this crap all over the world, and the blowback is hitting us domestically now. But some of us always were against and spoke out against that swine 'super rich and powerful wasp nazi' crap that was being pulled using our gov apparatus and power.
Most of us aren't in charge, and opposed the bad guys in charge. Incompletely and ineffectively, which is now affecting us. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere, so the foreign policy injustice we failed to prevent is now a domestic policy injustice for us.
Even if Carter and Clinton and Obama pulled stuff abroad I opposed, the world at large is far better off when we're in charge than it is when the repugs take over.
The real problem is the nazi backing repugs from the '30's, and Nixon Raygun Poppy li'l bush and Rump.
IcyPeas
(21,889 posts)we are in every continent except Antarctica
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases