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UTUSN

(70,700 posts)
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 08:41 PM Dec 2019

Watergate's Howard BAKER was just a smart Devin NUNES. Here's dispelling myths & what we need now.

Like many DUers, I lived through the Watergate hearings and then through some of the books and a movie, but speaking for myself, not all of what I thought I knew was true - I thought it was because I saw (the surface) - but now I see it became a fable encrusted with misapprehended events, heroes, and villains. And decades ago it was all behind us, with just John DEAN, BERNSTEIN, and WOODWARD popping up like characters from Lord of the Rings. This long article re-casts what I thought I knew, focusing on one Howard BAKER, who was nothing like the sainted bipartisan image. If anything, this shows that Repukes are Repukes.

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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2019/12/03/impeachment-history-watergate-adam-schiff-074844

What Adam Schiff Doesn’t Get About Watergate
He sees Howard Baker as a noble, bipartisan impeachment hero. In reality, he was just another attack dog for Nixon. Here’s why Democrats need to get their history right.

By MAX HOLLAND

…. … Baker was a highly sophisticated, even Machiavellian, partisan. His genuine role was one of collusion with the White House ; followed by an attempt at a firebreak that failed ; and finally, in desperation, an embrace of conspiracy-mongering. ….

… The senator had only accepted the committee assignment, Baker’s administrative assistant told Colson, to “go all the way … and defend you and the Republican Party.” He “wasn’t getting off the reservation.” The president was to disregard any seemingly critical comments Baker made in public, as well as any elaborate displays of deference to Ervin in the future. The only purpose behind these utterances was to maintain Baker’s credibility with Ervin in order to negotiate and “control him.” Baker, Colson was told, had to “act like one of the Senate club lest he destroy his effectiveness with Ervin.” ….

The next day, Nixon recounted the meeting to Kleindienst; the president now believed Baker would be working for him inside the committee. “Howard came down for the purpose of telling me what are his plans for the hearings … what he’s planning to do. What he’s going to do is … try to make it appear the Republicans are cooperating … [that] the hearings are honest and the administration’s cooperating.” … ….

Seen in its proper context, Baker’s question—“What did the president know and when did he know it?”—represented a shrewd defense from a highly skilled lawyer who recognized the inherent limits in Dean’s testimony. Baker intended to erect nothing less than an insurmountable firebreak in the conflagration that now threatened the Oval Office. ….

Howard Baker’s reputation, perhaps surprisingly, perhaps not, suffered no lasting damage from his role on the Watergate committee. It was as if image, rather than substance, prevailed. As Kutler put it, Baker “projected extremely well on television, combing a boyish smile with the appearance of a diffident, nonpartisan pursuit of the truth.” When the senator’s devastating question was remembered, and it often was, it was misremembered because it was invariably taken out of context. Baker certainly exhibited no abiding impulse to correct the misunderstanding.

So for the Democrats to pine now for another Howard Baker is, at best, folly. Howard Baker was no Howard Baker, and any hope that a Republican champion will suddenly emerge and relieve Democrats from doing the necessary hard work that remains is a historical fantasy. The only sound course open to them is what the Watergate committee actually did: to continue to develop and compile the facts until they have exhausted them. ... ....

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Watergate's Howard BAKER was just a smart Devin NUNES. Here's dispelling myths & what we need now. (Original Post) UTUSN Dec 2019 OP
Yeah he was a dick Zorro Dec 2019 #1
Thanks for sharing! Karadeniz Dec 2019 #2
This was brought out in the CNN series "Tricky Dick" DeminPennswoods Dec 2019 #3
Thanks, I had avoided all Watergate (& Vietnam & JFK/LBJ) stuff all these years UTUSN Dec 2019 #6
Definitely worth watching DeminPennswoods Dec 2019 #9
Thanks. elleng Dec 2019 #4
Lowell Weicker was the bipartisan Republican DonaldsRump Dec 2019 #5
& my misapprehended image was that WEICKER was a namby pamby weakling. See what I mean? UTUSN Dec 2019 #7
the real republican hero choie Dec 2019 #8
Rodino was a Democrat DeminPennswoods Dec 2019 #10
oops choie Dec 2019 #11
Hugh Scott, the R Senator from Pennsylvania FakeNoose Dec 2019 #12

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
3. This was brought out in the CNN series "Tricky Dick"
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 08:57 PM
Dec 2019

It was new news to me that Baker was essentially a WH mole on the Senate Watergate Committee.

UTUSN

(70,700 posts)
6. Thanks, I had avoided all Watergate (& Vietnam & JFK/LBJ) stuff all these years
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 09:07 PM
Dec 2019

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March 17 2019

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9635504/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl

Tricky Dick is a four-part CNN Original Series, produced by Left/Right, that explores Richard Nixon's life and times; tracking his rise, fall, incredible comeback and political destruction. From his early political career in California, to the game-changing Kennedy-Nixon debates through his disgraceful Watergate exit, this fully archive-based series will feature never-before-seen footage and offer viewers fresh insight into an unbelievable story.

—CNN Pressroom

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DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
5. Lowell Weicker was the bipartisan Republican
Tue Dec 3, 2019, 09:01 PM
Dec 2019

....on the Senate Watergate Committee. He was the Senator from Connecticut and was appalled at what happened in Watergate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowell_Weicker

I haven't read the article, but Howard Baker was as devious as they get. He clearly was feeding Nixon's White House key information about the Senate's investigation. It was all a facade.

Also, take a look at some of the Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee at the time. Charles Sandman, R from New Jersey, was a snarling firebrand and probably was 1974's Gym Jordan.

The Russia-publicans have only gotten dumber and more vicious over the years. I'm not going to say there was nothing redeeming about Republicans back then. There were some decent folks, but Howard Baker was clearly a supporter of Nixon.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
10. Rodino was a Democrat
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 07:12 AM
Dec 2019

Perhaps you are thinking of Larry Hogan, R from MD and father of the current governor. Hogan was the only R to vote yes on all 4 of the articles of impeachment developed by the judiciary committee. Wm Cohen of Maine and 2 other younger Rs on that committee also voted for 1 or more of the impeachment articles. But, it's worth remembering even with all that was known, including the tapes, only 4 Rs on judiciary joined Dems in voting for impeachment.

FakeNoose

(32,641 posts)
12. Hugh Scott, the R Senator from Pennsylvania
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 07:50 AM
Dec 2019

... old-style Republican leader, was key in convincing Nixon to resign before the Senate impeachment vote. If the Senate had actually gone for a final vote, I'm pretty sure Scott would have voted to convict Nixon.

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