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applegrove

(118,659 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:59 AM Dec 2019

HUGELY INCRIMINATING PHONE RECORDS SUGGEST RUDY GIULIANI IS F---ED


HUGELY INCRIMINATING PHONE RECORDS SUGGEST RUDY GIULIANI IS F---ED

The president’s lawyer should probably get a lawyer.

BY BESS LEVIN at Vanity Fair

DECEMBER 3, 2019

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/12/rudy-giuliani-ukraine-phone-records

"SNIP....

Much of the damning information comes in the form of phone records. According to logs obtained by the committee from AT&T, Giuliani was in extremely frequent communication with the White House, specifically the Office of Management and Budget, where acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, of Ukraine “drug deal” fame, is still director. For instance, Giuliani spoke with unidentified individuals at OMB and the White House on April 12, 23, and 24. An OMB call on the latter date lasted over 13 minutes and occurred just one day before Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch was told to return from Kiev. Following many of these communications, the Week notes, Giuliani placed calls to or received calls from his indicted associate Lev Parnas, whom Giuliani allegedly dispatched to Ukraine to dig up dirt on Joe Biden and his son. Another call of particular interest was the 13-minute one between Giuliani and OMB on August 8, which occurred just one day after Ambassador Kurt Volker messaged Giuliani about a meeting with Ukrainian presidential aide Andriy Yermakand a “visit” the two had discussed.

Last month the Washington Post reported that a confidential White House review of Trump’s decision to put a hold on aid to Ukraine “has turned up hundreds of documents that reveal extensive efforts to generate an after-the-fact justification for the decision and a debate over whether the delay was legal,” on which OMB led the charge. In early August, for instance, Mulvaney asked acting OMB director Russell Vought to provide an update on the legal rationale for holding up the aid and how much longer it could be delayed. According to the justification from the OMB lawyers—which the State Department and National Security Council disputed—withholding the aid was legal so long as they referred to it as a “temporary” hold. Was Giuliani strategizing with someone at OMB re: the delayed aid? Who’s to say!

Walter Shaub

✔@waltshaub

There is no good reason for Rudy Giuliani to be talking to OMB and plenty of bad ones.


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In addition to the frequent calls with OMB, logs show a number of calls with an individual whose number only appears as “-1” in phone records, which at least one former Justice Department official believes is Trump’s cell phone. Obviously, it’s not at all surprising that Giuliani—who is already the subject of numerous investigations—was in close contact with Trump, but it’s yet another data point that blows a hole in the president’s “Giuliani acted alone” defense, which no one believed the first time he trotted it out.


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HUGELY INCRIMINATING PHONE RECORDS SUGGEST RUDY GIULIANI IS F---ED (Original Post) applegrove Dec 2019 OP
PP Lock him up. Dec 2019 #1
Trump will not be removed by the Senate. applegrove Dec 2019 #2
Even on... Lock him up. Dec 2019 #3
Yes, even on that charge. joshdawg Dec 2019 #12
They have already betrayed that oath, IMO. I don't believe the Senate will vote to remove him. Arkansas Granny Dec 2019 #14
K&R Scurrilous Dec 2019 #4
Let's hope SDNY is also interested in these phone records. dem4decades Dec 2019 #5
"-1" BigmanPigman Dec 2019 #6
Individual -1 crazytown Dec 2019 #9
You got it! BigmanPigman Dec 2019 #15
Just a matter of time duforsure Dec 2019 #7
Rudy has said more than once he has (life) insurance. eom crazytown Dec 2019 #10
Rudy in Orange Sherman A1 Dec 2019 #8
As a few of us have been saying... 2naSalit Dec 2019 #11
And Schiff's not even his cousin. n/t Whiskeytide Dec 2019 #13

Lock him up.

(6,929 posts)
1. PP
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 04:12 AM
Dec 2019

''Presidential Pardon''

Looks like he's not F'ed unless... conviction and sentence come after January 2021 (or after removal, if any).

Lock him up.

(6,929 posts)
3. Even on...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 04:17 AM
Dec 2019

... that charge?

It is a federal crime to intimidate or seek to intimidate any witness appearing before Congress. This prohibition applies to anyone who knowingly “uses intimidation, threatens, or corruptly persuades” another person in order to “influence, delay, or prevent the testimony of any person in an official proceeding.” Violations of this law can carry a criminal sentence of up to 20 years in prison.


Then they must be labeled as betrayers of their Oath of Office for life.

dem4decades

(11,296 posts)
5. Let's hope SDNY is also interested in these phone records.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 04:41 AM
Dec 2019

And they can look at Nunes too while they're at it.

BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
6. "-1"
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:24 AM
Dec 2019

That says it all. I knew the fucking moron was a "real zero" but now he is in the negatives. New nick name!

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
7. Just a matter of time
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:31 AM
Dec 2019

Before rudy flips and starts talking to stay out of prison. What should be asked is who is next to get suicided or poisoned by putin and trump. Rudy, Lev, Igor, Bolton, others? Rudy knows this now too, and more will be exposed , so this is just the start of what comes out.

2naSalit

(86,630 posts)
11. As a few of us have been saying...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:30 AM
Dec 2019

there's a big RICO sweep coming to some congresscritters near you just as soon as the two who would issue pardons are removed. The whole cabinet and a bunch of Congress are doing to go down with this ship. And I can't wait for all the spawn to be exposed and put in prison too. Next year will be pretty exiting, I just hope it's a happy kind of exciting for the most part. I expect that Pence will be included somewhere along the line at some strategic point where he is removed at the same time. But I also think that pardons can't be issued to criminals by criminals of the same crime.

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