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Kali

(55,011 posts)
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:52 PM Dec 2019

NPR is making me angry

their break discussion/analysis and guests are really going overboard on the bullshit "fairness" ploy. it really shows how we need to see testimony for ourselves and not rely on some of these pundits, even well respected ones. if I hadn't actually watched the hearing I would think the repukes were sharp decision makers and have actual points to their stupid antics

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NPR is making me angry (Original Post) Kali Dec 2019 OP
What's the deal with NPR of late? Catherine Vincent Dec 2019 #1
I don't mind them talking to repukes Kali Dec 2019 #8
NPR liberally pisses in the Cheerios every morning ChubbyStar Dec 2019 #10
NPR went largely Republican during W's admin. It never came back. nt tblue37 Dec 2019 #15
THIS probably 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Dec 2019 #21
I did the same. llmart Dec 2019 #51
st ronnie started it. mopinko Dec 2019 #22
First Gulf War IMO utopian Dec 2019 #30
Yup TheRealNorth Dec 2019 #31
Darth Cheney was responsible for shifting NPR to the right, during W's administration ... aggiesal Dec 2019 #36
Cheney appointed himself as VP to Poppy but he never was the VP to W ChubbyStar Dec 2019 #59
I have to agree. There is a great Harper's magazine article on how it all happened; all political. Evolve Dammit Dec 2019 #37
I sent them an email back in September: joost5 Dec 2019 #40
Not sure what you're listening to. They are EXTREMELY fair, center left dsp3000 Dec 2019 #65
They lost me when Bob Edwards was dropped. mahannah Dec 2019 #35
If you have CSPAN3 or can stream it BumRushDaShow Dec 2019 #2
I just had it on to make sure I would catch when they started the hearing again Kali Dec 2019 #4
I gave thread 4 up to announce when they return BumRushDaShow Dec 2019 #9
Starting up again (on TV - streams have a delay) BumRushDaShow Dec 2019 #23
I agree with you but if I want to watch it on tv PBS is my only choice. NPR took a definite right in2herbs Dec 2019 #3
coporate and right Kali Dec 2019 #6
PBS shanti Dec 2019 #11
What do you mean "Murdoch bought a controlling interest"? ... aggiesal Dec 2019 #38
Murdoch's influence on NPR's shift to the right in programming is directed by the in2herbs Dec 2019 #49
NPR reported that Paul Ryan is now on Fox's board ... aggiesal Dec 2019 #61
The Board of Directors in a corporation is like Congress is to citizens. Citizens own Congress but in2herbs Dec 2019 #64
I agree, but ... aggiesal Dec 2019 #70
No problem. Even though NPR receives a substantial part of its support from a governmental in2herbs Dec 2019 #72
NPR has been disappointing for years. They exercise bothsideiism as much as cable TV. rainin Dec 2019 #5
the reform happens by not giving them attention anymore Kali Dec 2019 #12
That's what I've done. I no longer donate and have watched them depend on corporate rainin Dec 2019 #14
+1, very dispassionate or unconnected commentary by host. They let reThugs lie a lot uponit7771 Dec 2019 #26
I gave up on NPR Mme. Defarge Dec 2019 #7
I gave up on almost all "normal" media Kali Dec 2019 #13
As if each side (and the President) has equally legitimate arguments. maxsolomon Dec 2019 #16
Koch's destroyed NPR's integrity. lark Dec 2019 #17
I received a PBS/NPR solicitation on Monday. I was a yearly donor. I threw it in the recycling bin. TheBlackAdder Dec 2019 #18
They respond to political and economic pressure DBoon Dec 2019 #19
Like others here, I stopped listening to NPR years ago. Chiyo-chichi Dec 2019 #20
I hate the way they use hyper-specificity to make a clear topic sound complex: tandem5 Dec 2019 #24
I quit listening NPR's pablum when it supported Bush in the run-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. jalan48 Dec 2019 #25
Nationalist Propaganda Radiated! Anon-C Dec 2019 #27
My local public radio station still has some integrity, but this is left wing California. hunter Dec 2019 #28
It really pains me to be critical of NPR but they've earned it. Anon-C Dec 2019 #29
Nice Polite Republicans jayschool2013 Dec 2019 #32
I partially blame journalism professors... Happy Hoosier Dec 2019 #33
"Objective" both-siderism is the safe way to keep the $$$ coming. n/t MarcA Dec 2019 #42
I gave up on NPR after one too many segments by Cokie Roberts. Coventina Dec 2019 #34
What do you expect? infullview Dec 2019 #39
"herb asides" FiveGoodMen Dec 2019 #45
you can thank auto correct infullview Dec 2019 #47
! FiveGoodMen Dec 2019 #48
So many here throwing the baby out with the bath water randr Dec 2019 #41
I only have to listen to idiocy and bullshit once, not multiple times an hour. hunter Dec 2019 #46
90% of NPR is very good journalism randr Dec 2019 #50
NPR Has Discredited Itself as a News Source McKim Dec 2019 #43
AIPAC? tritsofme Dec 2019 #71
They've made me angry for years. SO one-sided. I quit donating and listening. CousinIT Dec 2019 #44
This is ridiculous tymorial Dec 2019 #52
the problem is ... stillcool Dec 2019 #53
There are issues that have "both sides." And those that don't. hunter Dec 2019 #54
That's true there are some things that are black and white tymorial Dec 2019 #60
except that isn't what they were doing. Kali Dec 2019 #62
NPR has been a lost cause for a long while, in my opinion. Chasing the dollars no doubt. somaticexperiencing Dec 2019 #55
And now they took On Point off the evening line up here LeftInTX Dec 2019 #56
On Point is recorded at 10am in Boston. Have you spoke to your local Station about the time of play? irisblue Dec 2019 #67
They also don't air it during the daytime LeftInTX Dec 2019 #68
That sucks. I have read transcripts the next day &heard the podcast later that night irisblue Dec 2019 #69
Kali: I didn't know you got angry!!! LeftInTX Dec 2019 #57
! Kali Dec 2019 #63
Gave up on National Petroleum Radio years ago. SlogginThroughIt Dec 2019 #58
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2019 #66

Catherine Vincent

(34,490 posts)
1. What's the deal with NPR of late?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:54 PM
Dec 2019

It seems like every time I switch to NPR, they are talking to some republican.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
21. THIS probably 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:27 PM
Dec 2019

I stopped listening to NPR during W's administration. None of my friends listens to or donates to NPR any longer.

It's gone right-winged for good. I've NO use for it any longer.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
51. I did the same.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 09:50 PM
Dec 2019

And yes, it was during W's administration, mostly after 9/11, that I turned NPR off and never listened again. If I want that crap, I'll watch Faux News.

utopian

(1,093 posts)
30. First Gulf War IMO
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 04:39 PM
Dec 2019

NPR cheer-lead right along with the rest of the media. But yeah, they ramped it up during W's. Used to donate, but haven't for years.

TheRealNorth

(9,481 posts)
31. Yup
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 04:42 PM
Dec 2019

Some of the locally-produced programming that I listened to in WI and MN had real Liberals on, but the debate at National NPR was not whether Iraq had WMD's, but whether the Army or Marines would reach Baghdad first.

Unfortunately, the Republicans know hey can use the threat of funding cuts to cajole NPR like they were a Ukrainian President.

aggiesal

(8,916 posts)
36. Darth Cheney was responsible for shifting NPR to the right, during W's administration ...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:18 PM
Dec 2019

"Some said" that he was actually running the show, and GW McIdiot was the face.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
59. Cheney appointed himself as VP to Poppy but he never was the VP to W
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 01:27 AM
Dec 2019

Cheney ran the show, A-Z for 8 years.

joost5

(421 posts)
40. I sent them an email back in September:
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:41 PM
Dec 2019
"I listened to Jonah Goldberg on Morning Edition today as he leveled a disgusting, shameless attack on Christine Blasey Ford accusing her of fabricating her story about Brett Kavanaugh for partisan reasons. And to allow this attack on Ford to go unchallenged was disgraceful to journalism. My family household is a very long term member and contributor to NPR and will seriously reconsider our membership should this type of shoddy, irresponsible journalism continue."


I couldn't believe their coverage. Both-side-ism has taken over NPR (and most media outlets e.i. "but her emails", "99% of climate scientists believe human-caused climate change but this one thinks climate change is a hoax so let's equal time to the controversy&quot when we really should be siding with the TRUTH. And just so happens that the TRUTH has a liberal bias. sorry not sorry.

dsp3000

(486 posts)
65. Not sure what you're listening to. They are EXTREMELY fair, center left
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 09:48 AM
Dec 2019

Some shows are more left leaning, including studio 1A. I love listening to my local Philly NPR station. makes my commute bearable!

Would you rather prefer a liberal version of rush limbaugh? I sure as hell dont.

BumRushDaShow

(129,053 posts)
2. If you have CSPAN3 or can stream it
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:55 PM
Dec 2019

you could go there (although CSPAN callers can be a bunch of freaks too )

Kali

(55,011 posts)
4. I just had it on to make sure I would catch when they started the hearing again
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:56 PM
Dec 2019

but I finally had to mute it. I am sure DU will let me know when it starts up again.

in2herbs

(2,945 posts)
3. I agree with you but if I want to watch it on tv PBS is my only choice. NPR took a definite right
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:56 PM
Dec 2019

turn when Murdoch bought a controlling interest. Before that the Koch's were the right's influence.

Kali

(55,011 posts)
6. coporate and right
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:58 PM
Dec 2019

I don't watch tee vee anymore but I was getting sick way back when of the types of corporate sponsors they were accepting.

aggiesal

(8,916 posts)
38. What do you mean "Murdoch bought a controlling interest"? ...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:20 PM
Dec 2019

I thought NPR was government funded.
So is PBS.

in2herbs

(2,945 posts)
49. Murdoch's influence on NPR's shift to the right in programming is directed by the
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 09:27 PM
Dec 2019

Board of Fox Corp. and former House Speaker Paul Ryan is on the Board.

“Former House speaker Paul Ryan is joining the board of directors of the new Fox Corp. NPR's David Folkenflik told WBUR's "Here and Now" that Fox's decision to retain Ryan "is in keeping with the way in which Rupert Murdoch and his family has operated over the years, where they have acquired, essentially, a lot of major political heavyweights to be on their corporate boards, occasionally as top executives — essentially as a hedge" against the fairly heavy regulations that media companies sometimes face.”

Bold for emphasis.

Source: https://www.npr.org/2019/03/20/705009029/disney-officially-owns-21st-century-fox. Article is dated 3/20/19.

Hope this answers your query.

aggiesal

(8,916 posts)
61. NPR reported that Paul Ryan is now on Fox's board ...
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 09:09 AM
Dec 2019

how is this controlling interest in NPR?

NPR is government funded, with corporate sponsorship from Disney & Fox,
but NPR is still not owned by anyone but the government.

in2herbs

(2,945 posts)
64. The Board of Directors in a corporation is like Congress is to citizens. Citizens own Congress but
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 09:44 AM
Dec 2019

it's the members of Congress who control our rights.

aggiesal

(8,916 posts)
70. I agree, but ...
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 01:28 PM
Dec 2019

NPR is not a corporation.
I still don't understand how you think Murdoch "bought controlling interest"?

I'm sorry to be such a stick in the mud, no animosity intended.

Congress and any RW administration are the ones that are forcing the RW message.
Prior to GW McIdiot, Congress and all administrations, pretty much left NPR alone to
do what they do best.

Darth Cheney changed all that.

in2herbs

(2,945 posts)
72. No problem. Even though NPR receives a substantial part of its support from a governmental
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 03:33 PM
Dec 2019

unit or the general public, according to Charity Navigator, https://www.charitynavigator.org NPR is organized as a non-profit with a 501(c)(3) filing status.

Corporations, organizations, etc., fall under this category. Except for acceptance of donations, there is not a lot of difference between a non-profit corporation and a non-profit organization -- both must comply with rules for corporations.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
5. NPR has been disappointing for years. They exercise bothsideiism as much as cable TV.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 02:57 PM
Dec 2019

We need a serious discussion about media reform. Smart people can find a better solution than the way it is currently.

Kali

(55,011 posts)
12. the reform happens by not giving them attention anymore
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:01 PM
Dec 2019

trying to get the most direct info is what their (and our) jobs should be.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
14. That's what I've done. I no longer donate and have watched them depend on corporate
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:04 PM
Dec 2019

dollars more and more. Corporations have deep pockets when it comes to buying media. Not listening hasn't worked. We need reform.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
16. As if each side (and the President) has equally legitimate arguments.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:08 PM
Dec 2019

They're scared of their own shadows because the GOP threatens their funding if they dare to report on the legitimacy of their bullshit.

lark

(23,102 posts)
17. Koch's destroyed NPR's integrity.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:11 PM
Dec 2019

Hoped it would stop whenn David Koch died, but no, so guessing he installed enough sycophants to keep distorting their programs to the right.

DBoon

(22,366 posts)
19. They respond to political and economic pressure
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:14 PM
Dec 2019

If they don't pander to the right wing, elected republicans will go after them and they will lose corporate funding.

The audience for NPR isn't you or I - it is the most insane members of congress and the most rightwing billioaires.

Chiyo-chichi

(3,580 posts)
20. Like others here, I stopped listening to NPR years ago.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:18 PM
Dec 2019

I had it on briefly during the intelligence committee hearings so I could listen in the car. During a break in testimony, the NPR people were heaping praise on Elise Stefanik!

And I remembered why I stopped listening.

tandem5

(2,072 posts)
24. I hate the way they use hyper-specificity to make a clear topic sound complex:
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:48 PM
Dec 2019

"An now a first generation North Ireland immigrant's perspective on Trump's trade policy and the role of the EU as it pertains to export logistics." Sometimes a covfefe is just a covfefe, but I think their collective heads would explode if they were forced report verbatim without interjecting with monotone, overwrought analysis.

And now a Jazz interlude ♬

hunter

(38,315 posts)
28. My local public radio station still has some integrity, but this is left wing California.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 04:07 PM
Dec 2019

I donate to them, partly to keep their frequency clear of Christian broadcasters who are the other side of the hate radio coin.

Happy Hoosier

(7,308 posts)
33. I partially blame journalism professors...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:00 PM
Dec 2019

I know a couple of smart journalism professors. But they drink their own bathwater and are constantly harping on how being "objective" means giving equal weight to "both sides" and letting the reader decide. I've argued with them that this creates false equivalency, that not all arguments are equal, and unequal arguments should not be portrayed as equal. For example, the creationist argument and the evolution argument are not equal. One has evidence, one does not. Climate change is not an issue with two equal sides. To treat them equal does the public a disservice. But they have a blind spot on this and insist "fairness" demands they not take a position. I just wind up banging my head against the wall.

Coventina

(27,120 posts)
34. I gave up on NPR after one too many segments by Cokie Roberts.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:04 PM
Dec 2019

This was during the W years, when she would go on an fellate W for what seemed like hours on end.

Haven't given them a dime since, and only listen to "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me!"

infullview

(981 posts)
39. What do you expect?
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:24 PM
Dec 2019

Last edited Wed Dec 4, 2019, 08:02 PM - Edit history (1)

NPR was de funded by the repukes and now have to beg crumbs from sleazy corporate donors who make sure they tow the line for conservatives.

I gave up on public broadcasting when Frontline did a show on cancer clusters near high tension wires. Guess who underwrote the show? G.E. Power systems. Ha! The investigation was misdirection into a study of low frequency EMF. Anyone who knows electronics can tell you this is not a thing and never will be. If this had been a real investigation, they would have been looking at all the herbicides used to keep trees from growing under the wires, or all ionized particles in the air created by the super high voltage going through the bare wires. I'm sure they would have found some correlation.

randr

(12,412 posts)
41. So many here throwing the baby out with the bath water
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:44 PM
Dec 2019

Sad. It's as if you have never listened.
Sometimes it is useful to hear what the other side thinks, I know we all wish that were true for our own "other side".

hunter

(38,315 posts)
46. I only have to listen to idiocy and bullshit once, not multiple times an hour.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 07:44 PM
Dec 2019

That's also why I don't watch any traditional television.

Our TV plays DVDs and Netflix. That's all it does.

randr

(12,412 posts)
50. 90% of NPR is very good journalism
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 09:47 PM
Dec 2019

Reporting on issues not found any place else. The reporting on current music is worth the price

McKim

(2,412 posts)
43. NPR Has Discredited Itself as a News Source
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:06 PM
Dec 2019

NPR has discredited itself long ago as a reliable news source. Sadly, large wealthy donors and AIPAC have had their influence.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
52. This is ridiculous
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 10:02 PM
Dec 2019

Reportint both sides at face value (without interpretation) is not bias it is honest reporting. Expecting that "your" preferred media engage in bias and then fail so to so does not mean they are biased in the other direction.

There's a difference

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
53. the problem is ...
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:15 PM
Dec 2019

that they brand themselves as 'news'. Opinions are not facts. Broadcasting lies as fact, and giving those lies validity is obviously...as we can all see..... dangerous. The last place I would look for facts is on any of those cable shows. Unless it's a live event that is being broadcast without opinions.

hunter

(38,315 posts)
54. There are issues that have "both sides." And those that don't.
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 11:30 PM
Dec 2019

Creationism, for example, is utter bullshit.

So is white supremacy.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
60. That's true there are some things that are black and white
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 07:26 AM
Dec 2019

Claiming there's no grey is also a falsehood. I don't know where or when it happened but nuance appears to have become a foreign concept for far too many people.

Kali

(55,011 posts)
62. except that isn't what they were doing.
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 09:19 AM
Dec 2019

both commentators/guests seemed to be conservative. the tendency too go overboard with "fairness" on bullshit like this contributes to ratios of only 50 percent wanting the idiot gone. as mentioned, some things really don't have two sides or don't deserve equal time and giving legitimacy to them does real harm.

LeftInTX

(25,361 posts)
56. And now they took On Point off the evening line up here
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:19 AM
Dec 2019

I used to love On Point. Now I have to listen to two hours of the snooze fest "Texas Standard".


The other night, I had to listen to a bunch of stuff about Chicken Little. I went shopping and came out and they were still talking about Chicken Little and Duckie Man and Miss Piggy...

I wish I could find a classic rock station that didn't have a zillion commercials.

irisblue

(32,975 posts)
67. On Point is recorded at 10am in Boston. Have you spoke to your local Station about the time of play?
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 10:02 AM
Dec 2019

From their website... "The show is broadcast live on air from 10 a.m. to noon EST Monday through Friday, and airs again throughout the day and evening on more than 290 NPR stations coast to coast. The show is also available digitally through WBUR’s website, apps and its online archive, in addition to its regular podcast."


https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/about

I have tweeted/called my 2 local NPR station managers several times over the last years & have found them responsive, I also tell them I am a long term member.

LeftInTX

(25,361 posts)
68. They also don't air it during the daytime
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 01:00 PM
Dec 2019

Rumor has it the licensing was too expensive.
It's no longer airing in Texas.

irisblue

(32,975 posts)
69. That sucks. I have read transcripts the next day &heard the podcast later that night
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 01:04 PM
Dec 2019

That show is my don't miss

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