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hlthe2b

(102,278 posts) Wed Dec 4, 2019, 03:08 PM Dec 2019

Trump's mental state is deteriorating dangerously due to impeachment w potentially 'catastrophic'

Last edited Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:07 PM - Edit history (2)

Trump’s mental state is deteriorating dangerously due to impeachment with potentially ‘catastrophic outcomes’, psychiatrists urgently warn Congress





A group of mental health professionals led by a trio of pre-eminent psychiatrists is urging the House Judiciary Committee to consider Donald Trump’s “dangerous” mental state arising from his “brittle sense of self-worth” as part of its inquiry into whether to approve articles of impeachment against him.

“We are speaking out at this time because we are convinced that, as the time of possible impeachment approaches, Donald Trump has the real potential to become ever more dangerous, a threat to the safety of our nation,” said Yale Medical School Professor Dr Bandy Lee, George Washington University Professor Dr John Zinner, and former CIA profiler Dr Jerrold Post in a statement which will be sent to House Judiciary Committee members on Thursday.

The statement will be accompanied by a petition with at least 350 signatures from mental health professionals endorsing their conclusions.

All three psychiatrists have said they are willing to testify as part of the impeachment inquiry.

The statement warns that “[f]ailing to monitor or to understand the psychological aspects [of impeachment on Mr Trump], or discounting them, could lead to catastrophic outcomes.”


--more at the link--

On edit, a few seem to think these mental health specialists are arguing against impeachment. Quite the opposite, actually. Here is a link to the letter sent to congress:
https://dangerouscase.org/urgent-letter-to-congress/
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Trump's mental state is deteriorating dangerously due to impeachment w potentially 'catastrophic' (Original Post) hlthe2b Dec 2019 OP
I would LOVE to see a televised hearing on Trump's mental condition!❤ Karadeniz Dec 2019 #1
Well now, that really brightened our day, didn't it? Wednesdays Dec 2019 #2
And just think - he also has access to the nuclear codes! panfluteman Dec 2019 #15
and the practical conclusion or application for this advice? stopdiggin Dec 2019 #3
Well, one might suggest not giving into those wanting to slow this process down for one. hlthe2b Dec 2019 #13
Well then take him out in a straight jacket. lunatica Dec 2019 #4
The Dead-Enders will offer a 25th Amendment compromise at the 11th hour. Ponietz Dec 2019 #5
not likely..... getagrip_already Dec 2019 #10
We haven't seen the last of Cadet Bone Spurs Ponietz Dec 2019 #19
Charlie Manson didn't kill anyone, he had his followers to do the deed alfredo Dec 2019 #20
"He's dangerous..." Fritz67 Dec 2019 #6
Stress + poor diet + obesity + sedentary lifestyle ? Auggie Dec 2019 #7
I hope it doesn't come down to... durablend Dec 2019 #8
That is NOT what they are saying. It might be what HE would say. hlthe2b Dec 2019 #14
He fits the profile, believe me.......... DENVERPOPS Dec 2019 #21
He's brought this upon himself. KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2019 #9
Good. Keep deteriorating MF. Just take the football away, please or lateral to a functional adult. Evolve Dammit Dec 2019 #11
Two parties fighting over a blob Beringia Dec 2019 #12
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2019 #16
This is getting to be a tired trope ... it begins to sound like every other 'sound bite' NotHardly Dec 2019 #17
You are equating the opinions of 350 academic psychiatrists, neurologists, and related medical hlthe2b Dec 2019 #18
I also believe its a bad idea. Bad optics. Could work against Dems oldsoftie Dec 2019 #23
Here, the account of Nixon's last days. THis is a needed warning not some attention-grabbing stunt hlthe2b Dec 2019 #24
Well, I guess trump is no Nixon. In a bad way. oldsoftie Dec 2019 #25
Very apropos NJCher Dec 2019 #27
"making bizarre, rambling, late-night phone calls to subordinates" Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2019 #28
Deteriorating wonderfully, in my estimation. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2019 #22
i want him to become catatonic on stage,drool and wet himself..THEN maybe they GOP will act samnsara Dec 2019 #26

stopdiggin

(11,308 posts)
3. and the practical conclusion or application for this advice?
Reply to hlthe2b (Original post)
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 04:37 PM
Dec 2019

translation: and the House should do WHAT in reaction? Not impeach? What is your recommendation?

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hlthe2b

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13. Well, one might suggest not giving into those wanting to slow this process down for one.
Reply to stopdiggin (Reply #3)
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:32 PM
Dec 2019

But, I don't believe it falls to ME to give a recommendation. I agree with these psychiatrists, neurologists and other related specialists that the warning is needed and that their hope that American media might give it some consideration as well.

You want to know what will drive public opinion on impeachment/removal? The facts that the President is unhinged while he holds the power to deliver nuclear weapons.

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getagrip_already

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10. not likely.....
Reply to Ponietz (Reply #5)
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:27 PM
Dec 2019

It requires a majority of cabinet officials plus the vp. Now, there aren't many cabinet secretaries left (many are just acting and likely couldn't vote).

And among those left, many are facing absolute criminal charges once trump is out of office. They need the promise of a pardon. If they flush trump, he will testify to their crimes and there will be no pardons (there won't be anyway, but at least trump won't testify against them).

Same for pence.

So no, there likely won't be a 25th solution unless he has a stroke and is clearly incapacitated.

He may be as dumb as bricks, but he is a career criminal and some things just come naturally to him. Holding crimes he coerced others to commit over them is something he has done for many, many, years.

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Auggie

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7. Stress + poor diet + obesity + sedentary lifestyle ?
Reply to hlthe2b (Original post)
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 04:53 PM
Dec 2019

If they could make a mental health case, great. But his physical health may make it moot.

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durablend

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8. I hope it doesn't come down to...
Reply to hlthe2b (Original post)
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:11 PM
Dec 2019

"DEMOCRATS EITHER STOP THIS IMPEACHMENT NONSENSE OR I PUSH THE BUTTON!!!!"

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DENVERPOPS

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21. He fits the profile, believe me..........
Reply to durablend (Reply #8)
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:04 PM
Dec 2019

Reminds me of several EMS calls I went on. There are the ubiquitous/normal suicides, and then we had a group we called the: "I'll Show You" who always took themselves out in a way that maximized the mental and emotional trauma on all of those around them..........seemingly, like they wanted to get even with loved ones for some fucked up reason in their minds, and they wanted to have their horrific suicide planted in the minds of their family as a punishment, for the rest of their lives......

I will give no examples, you don't need that going through your brain.....believe me......

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KY_EnviroGuy

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9. He's brought this upon himself.
Reply to hlthe2b (Original post)
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:19 PM
Dec 2019

Anyone that deceives and lies to the American people every day since taking office is bound to eventually experience blow-back in mass proportion.

It will only get worse for him, his family and everyone in his administration.

This ain't just some petty real estate scam you're running here, Donny......

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NotHardly

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17. This is getting to be a tired trope ... it begins to sound like every other 'sound bite'
Reply to hlthe2b (Original post)
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:53 PM
Dec 2019

I'm not saying it is incorrect but such chanting w/o purpose or process sounds as unhinged as 'lock her up' when it comes down to it. He's a serious problem but this sort of name calling is better left to reddit than this forum.

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hlthe2b

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18. You are equating the opinions of 350 academic psychiatrists, neurologists, and related medical
Reply to NotHardly (Reply #17)
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 05:56 PM
Dec 2019

specialists with the opinions of some anonymous morons on reddid? Ok. I think we know all we need to know about your view on this.

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hlthe2b

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24. Here, the account of Nixon's last days. THis is a needed warning not some attention-grabbing stunt
Reply to oldsoftie (Reply #23)
Wed Dec 4, 2019, 06:49 PM
Dec 2019

These professionals put their reputations and careers on the lines doing this. Your seeming contempt is very misplaced IMO.

https://medium.com/@Anthony_Bergen/what-have-i-done-the-final-hours-of-richard-nixon-s-presidency-40ffbeac6c44

In the last days of July 1974, most of President Nixon’s aides came to the conclusion that Nixon’s position was untenable and that resignation was imminent. When Republican Congressional leaders indicated that they would no longer support Nixon and would vote for articles of impeachment, all hope was lost and Vice President Gerald Ford — in office for less than 8 months — began preparations to assume the Presidency. Nixon held out the longest, but he was so out of touch that he was losing the ability to exercise the powers of his position. For weeks, the day-to-day operations of the White House — and, really, the Presidency itself — were handled by General Alexander Haig, a four-star Army general and the White House Chief of Staff. Haig was a longtime holdout in the futile attempt to save Nixon’s Presidency, but the damning evidence that was revealed almost daily in the final weeks of Nixon’s administration left Haig no choice but to attempt to orchestrate a somewhat dignified exit for Nixon and smooth transition for Ford.

At times in those last few weeks, Nixon brooded in the Lincoln Sitting Room or his secret hideaway office in the Old Executive Office Building across the street from the White House. Even in the White House summer, Nixon would sit in one of the two rooms with a fire burning in the fireplace scribbling memos to himself on his familiar yellow legal pads. The President would drink scotch and get drunk quickly; he was famously unable to handle his low-tolerance for alcohol very well. Often, an aide or valet would find Nixon loudly blaring his favorite music — the score from the 1950’s documentary “Victory at Sea”. Other times, Nixon would listen to the tapes from his Oval Office recording system that were bringing his Presidency down around him, rewinding, fast-forwarding, listening again-and-again to his own voice saying the things now coming back to haunt him.

Aides throughout the White House and staff from other departmental agencies worried about the President’s ability to function and continue to lead the country while in his current mental state. Discussions were quietly held about whether it was necessary to attempt to invoke the 25th Amendment of the Constitution, which calls for the Vice President to assume the powers of the Presidency if the President is somehow incapacitated and unable to discharge the heavy everyday responsibilities of his office. Nixon was barely sleeping, drinking heavily, and making bizarre, rambling late-night phone calls to subordinates throughout the Executive Branch of the United States government. Nearly everyone who knew his condition questioned the President’s capacity to function.

There were also serious questions about whether or not Nixon, in a desperate attempt to hold on to power, might use the military to protect himself and the White House. Tensions were already high in the streets of Washington, D.C. with protesters loudly demonstrating and calling for Nixon’s resignation. High-ranking officials in the Department of Defense and the White House privately worried about the possibility that Nixon would ring the streets around the White House with tanks and armored personnel carriers, ostensibly to protect the Executive Mansion from acts of civil disobedience, but also to set up a fortress-like barrier that might allow him to remain in the White House in the case of a Congressional or Supreme Court-ordered removal from office.

Most startling of all is the fact that in the week before his resignation, Nixon’s inability to efficiently or appropriately wield executive power had dwindled so far that Secretary of Defense James R. Schlesinger urged General George S. Brown, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to not take military orders directly from the President. In an attempt to save the country from any extra-constitutional power grab by a desperate President, the military chain-of-command took the extra-constitutional step of removing the President from the loop. Schlesinger also investigated what his options would be if troops had to forcibly remove the President from office. The Defense Secretary’s tentative plan was to bring the 82nd Airborne to Washington from Fort Bragg, North Carolina if that was necessary.
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Hermit-The-Prog

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28. "making bizarre, rambling, late-night phone calls to subordinates"
Reply to hlthe2b (Reply #24)
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 04:27 AM
Dec 2019

See? Trump only does bizarre, rambling, late-night tweets to the whole world. Not really crazy until he starts phoning subordinates.


I'm going to consult my friend Jack about this.
He's one of those Daniels boys.

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