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turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:01 AM Dec 2019

Five Common Misconceptions About the Electoral College

Defenders of the Electoral College argue that it was created to combat majority tyranny and support federalism, and that it continues to serve those purposes. This stance depends on a profound misunderstanding of the history of the institution.

November 29, 2019
G. Alan Tarr
Board of Governors Professor at Rutgers University-Camden

Two of the nation’s last three presidents won the presidency in the Electoral College, even though they lost the popular vote nationwide. In 2000, Al Gore outpolled George W. Bush by more than 540,000 votes but lost in the Electoral College, 271–266. Sixteen years later, Hillary Clinton tallied almost 3 million more votes than Donald Trump but lost decisively in the Electoral College, 306–232. And, as a recent New York Times poll suggested, the 2020 election could very well again deliver the presidency to the loser of the popular vote.

Despite this, defenders of the Electoral College argue that it was created to combat majority tyranny and support federalism, and that it continues to serve those purposes. For example, Representative Dan Crenshaw of Texas, responding to Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s recent criticism of the Electoral College, tweeted that “we live in a republic, which means 51% of the population doesn’t get to boss around the other 49%,” and that the Electoral College “promotes more equal regional representation and protects the interests of sparsely populated states.”

But arguments like these are flawed, misunderstanding the pertinent history. Below, I identify five common mistakes made in arguing for the preservation of the Electoral College.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/11/five-common-misconceptions-about-electoral-college/602596/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

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Five Common Misconceptions About the Electoral College (Original Post) turbinetree Dec 2019 OP
If Republicans insist on keeping the Electoral College, at least make it consistently world wide wally Dec 2019 #1
At the time that Wyoming was admitted to the Union customerserviceguy Dec 2019 #3
And Gore and Hillary couldn't world wide wally Dec 2019 #4
It doesn't matter customerserviceguy Dec 2019 #5
Wow! This is big news for my brain!!! LAS14 Dec 2019 #2

world wide wally

(21,754 posts)
1. If Republicans insist on keeping the Electoral College, at least make it consistently
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 11:15 AM
Dec 2019

proportional. We undermine democracy itself when 3 voters in Wyoming get more representatation than 3 voters in California.
One person, one vote!

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
3. At the time that Wyoming was admitted to the Union
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 02:42 PM
Dec 2019

representatives of all the states in favor of such admission knew the rules.

All of this carping about the Electoral College is just wasted time. Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama managed to work within the system to win. I firmly believe our Democratic nominee will be able to do so as well.

world wide wally

(21,754 posts)
4. And Gore and Hillary couldn't
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 03:15 PM
Dec 2019

and oddly enough, W and Trump have been two of the most influential Presidents in recent history.
Bush and his War in Iraq.
Trump by undoing everything Obama accomplished.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
5. It doesn't matter
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 03:27 PM
Dec 2019

how much we fume about the EC, it's not going away. All it takes is thirteen states to quash a constitutional amendment, and I'm sure there are at least fifteen states benefited by the EC who will not ratify an amendment eliminating it.

Our nominee will simply have to work around that. Biden and Buttigieg are positioned to be able to do that, while in my opinion, Sanders and Warren are not.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
2. Wow! This is big news for my brain!!!
Thu Dec 5, 2019, 12:26 PM
Dec 2019

All along I've had a vague sense that the framers knew what they were doing and so the argument of "tyranny of the majority" would have to be respected. So to find out that the main reason they didn't want the president elected by popular vote was that it was unreasonable to expect people to be well informed about an issue so far away, given the size of the country, was a (the?) main reason for keeping the popular vote limited to state boundaries changes everything for me. I can imagine an initiative to get rid of the electoral college proclaiming that fact, in suitably sound byte fashion, all over the country! I'd sure be on board, now that my faint, misplaced, respect for the framers' thinking has been blown out of the water.

Now common sense can have its sway. The tyranny of the majority can't be relevant in a binary choice. It's either the majority or the minority that makes a simple choice. Why guarantee that the minority can sometimes win? They the rights of minorities are protected in the Constitution. The minority doesn't have a right to choose the president. Duh!

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