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shockey80

(4,379 posts) Sat Dec 7, 2019, 01:12 PM Dec 2019

The Senate Republicans better think long and hard before they decide to be complicit in a crime.

The Senate republicans know Trump is guilty and they know he should be removed. All of America will be watching the Trial and it will not go well for the Republicans. They cannot defend what Trump has done. If they prematurely end , create a freak show in order to protect Trump, the American people will take notice.

The Republicans, in all their madness have developed a fatal flaw. They radicalized their base and now they allow themselves to be prisoners to their base. If any of them step out of line they will be voted out of office. They fear their base, it is pure cowardice. They are failing to recognize one very important fact. Their base is the minority. The Majority of Americans will become filled with rage if the Republicans do not convict Trump after a trial proves he is guilty and must be removed.

The Senate Republicans also do not seem to understand another important fact. If they acquit Trump, from that moment on they will be held responsible for what ever Trump does next. If they acquit Trump, they will remove all boundaries that keep a president in check.

Trump has already removed everyone in the Whitehouse who said No to him, people who stopped him from doing really crazy shit. This has been reported by the news media. He is now surrounded by Yes men, idiots, cult like followers. If he is acquitted he will also be free of the rule of law and the constitution.

Bottom line, Trump who is extremely mentally ill, will have no one around him to say no and no constitution, rule of law to keep him under control. The chances of that combination ending in a great tragedy are extremely high.

The Republicans may believe protecting Trump is politically good for them in the short term. In the long term it could devastate their party, our country, maybe the world.

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The Senate Republicans better think long and hard before they decide to be complicit in a crime. (Original Post) shockey80 Dec 2019 OP

I would suspect that some Republican will make a motion to end the entire proceeding... kentuck Dec 2019 #1

My assumption is that a 50-50 vote would result in Roberts' ruling standing. tritsofme Dec 2019 #4

Senate rso Dec 2019 #7

They aren't thinking about anything except avoiding being primaried The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #2

It puts impeachment on the ballot in the next election. kentuck Dec 2019 #3

The ones that must vote no to keep their seats dont constitute an overall majority Volaris Dec 2019 #9

If the American citizens didnt punish the GOP long term after the last two times they SterlingPound Dec 2019 #5

Seems like just last week Timmygoat Dec 2019 #6

If nothing happens to trump it will be the last shovel full of dirt on American's grave not the 1st SterlingPound Dec 2019 #8

I agree. n/t EndlessWire Dec 2019 #11

That ship sailed long ago Generic Brad Dec 2019 #10

I agree. EndlessWire Dec 2019 #12

kentuck

(111,095 posts)

1. I would suspect that some Republican will make a motion to end the entire proceeding...

Reply to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 01:17 PM

Dec 2019

Three votes could make it a tie vote. I assume that the Chief Justice would be the tie-breaker in such an instance, and not the VP, as is normal in Senate operations.

tritsofme

(17,378 posts)

4. My assumption is that a 50-50 vote would result in Roberts' ruling standing.

Reply to kentuck (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 01:26 PM

Dec 2019

Not because he would be able to cast a vote, but because his ruling would not be overturned. As Pence is not presiding, I don’t believe he would be able to vote and break a tie in Republicans favor.

rso

(2,271 posts)

7. Senate

Reply to kentuck (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 01:42 PM

Dec 2019

I just hope Manchin does not desert democrats during the Senate Trial.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)

2. They aren't thinking about anything except avoiding being primaried

Reply to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 01:17 PM

Dec 2019

by Fat Nixon's MAGA cult, and they aren't worried about crimes because they figure nothing will ever happen to them.

kentuck

(111,095 posts)

3. It puts impeachment on the ballot in the next election.

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 01:21 PM

Dec 2019

Voters will know exactly where each side stands.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)

9. The ones that must vote no to keep their seats dont constitute an overall majority

Reply to kentuck (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 02:15 PM

Dec 2019

The ones in swing states can just not show up that day, and effectively 'dodge the question', and still end up with trump convicted by '...a majority of the members PRESENT.'

The math is there. Yertle just has to run the names and the numbers.

SterlingPound

(428 posts)

5. If the American citizens didnt punish the GOP long term after the last two times they

Reply to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 01:29 PM

Dec 2019

Helped cover up a GOP candidates treason
Nixon was interfering with the Vietnam war peace talks (absolute treason IMO a betrayal to all the oaths he had taken before as house member, senate, and VP,
but the GOP protected and profited from this act of treason for 6 more years before actually threatening to impeach him on a different weaker charge).
And what did America do? Elect carter for one term.

Reagan was colluding with Iran during the campaign.
Hell, he got reelected.

then they won't this time past any normal cyclical fashion

and that is to our everlasting shame and everlasting destruction as a nation IMO

Timmygoat

(779 posts)

6. Seems like just last week

Reply to SterlingPound (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 01:41 PM

Dec 2019

Trump was complaining that the impeachment proceedings would be starting while he was not here.
As per his usual cowardice now that he is here he will not be attending!

SterlingPound

(428 posts)

8. If nothing happens to trump it will be the last shovel full of dirt on American's grave not the 1st

Reply to Timmygoat (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 01:43 PM

Dec 2019

EndlessWire

(6,531 posts)

11. I agree. n/t

Reply to Timmygoat (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:33 PM

Dec 2019

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)

10. That ship sailed long ago

Reply to shockey80 (Original post)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 02:22 PM

Dec 2019

They must believe they have a permanent lock on power or else they would not be behaving that way. Lord knows they do just about everything that can be done to tilt elections in their favor.

EndlessWire

(6,531 posts)

12. I agree.

Reply to Generic Brad (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 7, 2019, 06:40 PM

Dec 2019

I am starting to believe that the government isn't really there but is a coverup just to keep us busy.

I have never seen so many chickenshit, ignorant aholes in all my life. These people are running the country? OMG...

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