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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPresident Trump to sign an order to interpret Judaism as a nationality
Link to tweet
This should go over well...
applegrove
(118,830 posts)Erasing 2000 years.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,878 posts)If you're an American (or a German or a Dane or an Italian, for example) who happens to be Jewish, are you now not an American (or a German or a Dane or an Italian) any more?
PCIntern
(25,595 posts)Frightening.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,878 posts)or what it's supposed to mean.
applegrove
(118,830 posts)Maybe this is like killing the dreamers act - a negotiating stance meant to scare palestinians into accepting Jared's peace plan?
Zoonart
(11,881 posts)This is meant to classify Jews as other...not Americans. What's next...special papers? expulsion?
Wake up fellow Americans. This is terrifying.
LiberalFighter
(51,137 posts)edhopper
(33,635 posts)Judaism is a race. That worked out so well last time.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,334 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,878 posts)appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)Rabbi Emily Cohen? @ThatRabbiCohen
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Rabbi Emily Cohen Retweeted NYT Politics
It is really, *really* frightening for us to be defined as a nationality. The trope of "dual loyalism" is classic antisemitism. It encourages people to view American Jews as professing greater loyalty to Israel than to the United States-- thereby making us untrustworthy.
Demovictory9
(32,479 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)The Blue Flower
(5,446 posts)This couldn't be worse.
LiberalFighter
(51,137 posts)Is maybe what he is trying to do?
3catwoman3
(24,055 posts)And why is it up to Trump to address this in any way?
Me.
(35,454 posts)The courts will sort him out and at the same time this will ignite the Jewish Community against him.
elleng
(131,176 posts)appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)> "Trump signs executive order declaring Judaism a nationality. You should be alarmed." Posted by a Jewish Daily Kos member tonight.
(Daily Kos) From the New York Times: www.nytimes.com/
The order will effectively interpret Judaism as a nationality, not just a religion, to trigger a federal law penalizing colleges and universities deemed to be shirking their responsibility to foster an open climate for minority students, according to the officials, who insisted on anonymity to discuss the matter before the announcement.
Im throwing this up hastily as I have to leave soon. On the surface this is a move to punish free speech on college campuses that have groups supporting BDS. Im personally against the settlements, and most things the Israeli government has done in regards to the occupation, but not in favor of BDS myself. However, this order could have broader implications. It evokes for me pre-enlightenment laws used in Europe to separate Jewish people from the rest of the population, which later were used to justify preventing Jews from owning property, serving in government, and so forth.
Im Jewish, but my nationality is American. This is an alarming development to me, and I think to many others. Please help shine a light on this. Your opinion of BDS should not be a factor. This is wrong, and dangerous.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/12/10/1904829/-Trump-signs-executive-order-declaring-Judaism-a-nationality-You-should-be-alarmed
elleng
(131,176 posts)'The presidents order would allow the government to withhold money from campuses deemed to be biased, but critics see it as an attack on free speech. . .
The order will effectively interpret Judaism as a race or nationality, not just a religion, to prompt a federal law penalizing colleges and universities deemed to be shirking their responsibility to foster an open climate for minority students. In recent years, the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions or B.D.S. movement against Israel has roiled some campuses, leaving some Jewish students feeling unwelcome or attacked.
In signing the order, Mr. Trump will use his executive power to take action where Congress has not, essentially replicating bipartisan legislation that has stalled on Capitol Hill for several years. Prominent Democrats have joined Republicans in promoting such a policy change to combat anti-Semitism as well as the boycott-Israel movement.
But critics complained that such a policy could be used to stifle free speech and legitimate opposition to Israels policies toward Palestinians in the name of fighting anti-Semitism. The definition of anti-Semitism to be used in the order matches the one used by the State Department and by dozens of other nations, but it has been criticized as too open-ended and sweeping.'>>>
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/10/us/politics/trump-antisemitism-executive-order.html
appalachiablue
(41,178 posts)elleng
(131,176 posts)Appears weird, but another 'distraction,' via anti-semitic (or other) vehicle.
Karadeniz
(22,583 posts)tanyev
(42,632 posts)Hekate
(90,846 posts)This comes right outta Trump's gut, like all the rest of his shit.
captain queeg
(10,269 posts)I guess we should just be happy that he spends his time on stuff like this and flushing toilets. Keeps him occupied. He obviously has no idea what a president does
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)The moment the pen leaves the paper, I'm declaring my land sovereign.
I win.
madaboutharry
(40,230 posts)Jews dont need this jackass telling them who they are.
This is a completely fucked up idea.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Bad idea. Slippery slope.
icymist
(15,888 posts)The New York Times don't write very good headlines these days.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,647 posts)Ill just wait right here for all the people really concerned with free speech on campus to show up to talk about this it will be any minute now
Link to tweet
Trump to sign executive order effectively interpreting Judaism as a nationality, not just a religion and empowering the Education Department to withhold money from institutions that tolerate anti-Israel movements
Link to tweet
Takket
(21,639 posts)This looks like it is intended to stop persons from protesting Israel......
The times article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/10/us/politics/trump-antisemitism-executive-order.html?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur
Quote from article:
Among those welcoming the move on Tuesday was Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League, who said the group recorded its third-highest level of anti-Semitic episodes in the United States last year.
~snip
Here's the thing.... we know antisemitism is up.... but if anyone thinks it is because of college kids opposing Israel's oppression of the Palestinians.... they haven't been paying attention. It is the dog whistles from drumpf and company towards ANY person that is not a white, male, evangelical that are driving up attacks on EVERYONE.
world wide wally
(21,755 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)icymist
(15,888 posts)Link to tweet
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For centuries, the notion that a Jewish person is disloyal or has a dual loyalty has been used to ostracize Jews and helped stoke the fires of #antiSemitism. Our experts break down this concept and why its so dangerous:
Straight Talk on the Charge of Jewish Disloyalty
November 27, 2018
The charge of disloyalty has been used to harass, marginalize, and persecute the Jewish people for centuries. Sometimes referred to as the dual loyalty charge, it alleges that Jews should be suspected of being disloyal neighbors or citizens because their true allegiance is to their coreligionists around the world or to a secret and immoral Jewish agenda. This anti-Semitic allegation posits that non-Jews should not trust the motives or actions of their Jewish neighbors, who may be engaged in deceitful behavior to accomplish their own goals at the expense of others.
https://www.adl.org/blog/straight-talk-on-the-charge-of-jewish-disloyalty
Crunchy Frog
(26,659 posts)icymist
(15,888 posts)JTA US President Donald Trump will sign an executive order recognizing Jewish university students as a class protected from discrimination.
The legislation would effectively recognize Jews as an ethnic minority and not exclusively as a religious group.
The order, to be signed Wednesday, according to The New York Times, leapfrogs bipartisan legislation in Congress that would do the same thing.
Colleges that fail to tackle anti-Semitism under the order could lose out on federal funding.
Republican lawmakers are expected to attend the signing of the order, but Democrats, including those who pushed for the legislation, are not likely to attend.
The signing of the order will coincide with the White House Hanukkah parties.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-to-sign-order-recognizing-jewish-university-students-as-a-protected-class/
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,453 posts)icymist
(15,888 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 11, 2019, 12:44 AM - Edit history (1)
This is bad. Just bad.
On edit, I'm not sure of what to make of all this now. (See above at post #43)
Gothmog
(145,631 posts)JDC
(10,135 posts)Hekate
(90,846 posts)Harker
(14,049 posts)he'll be trying to cause as much distraction and destruction as possible.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)I just don't know what to say. He can't do that. He just can't do that. That isn't how it works.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Because he will want Jews to think of themselves as Jews first., which is his mind is Israelis first. Now the sad thing is Trump may believe he is helping the jews, but he minute he goes, the Stephen millers and steve bannons of the world will make damned sure this is used to go after Ivanka, jared, and any other jew.