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It was just the circle game!!: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Dec 2019 OP
Thank you!!! blugbox Dec 2019 #1
Or they already know and either support it or don't care. dewsgirl Dec 2019 #3
Remember DENVERPOPS Dec 2019 #23
You forgot this "sweetheart" Zana Bash @ Kavaungh's hearings ... it was big joke to her Botany Dec 2019 #2
I remember.😔 dewsgirl Dec 2019 #4
She did it multiple time during the hearings and laughed about it. Botany Dec 2019 #7
I can, have you seen how they have removed the word White Nationalist, dewsgirl Dec 2019 #8
PLus all that military crowd control gear 2naSalit Dec 2019 #10
Yep, tons of scary signs of whatever they are planning, staring dewsgirl Dec 2019 #11
Ha!!!!! DENVERPOPS Dec 2019 #26
There a several scenarios, all seeming to bloom at once, that dewsgirl Dec 2019 #29
Oh I think the requirement is still there, but in the opposite direction. Lucky Luciano Dec 2019 #14
Indeed and when you think about all of the branches of law enforcement dewsgirl Dec 2019 #33
I'm sorry about your dad.😔 dewsgirl Dec 2019 #12
It was sad but he had a good run Botany Dec 2019 #15
That's what they do. kacekwl Dec 2019 #5
Curius that this "game" Scarsdale Dec 2019 #17
Where yiz libs get it wrong. Proof it is the circle game. 3Hotdogs Dec 2019 #36
if they had been sugnalling "ok" i might have bought it rampartc Dec 2019 #6
And I'm Lady Godiva. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2019 #9
Mmmm Are you chocolate???? LakeArenal Dec 2019 #28
No, sadly. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2019 #32
Damn. But you're still pretty!! LakeArenal Dec 2019 #46
Well, thanks. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2019 #49
That hand signal means one thing FakeNoose Dec 2019 #13
Thats It - The Circle Represents Their Asshole DanieRains Dec 2019 #16
It makes them "circle" jerks. CaptYossarian Dec 2019 #27
Among other things Fritz Walter Dec 2019 #39
Fritz it means something different in Germany FakeNoose Dec 2019 #42
You are just slightly off flotsam Dec 2019 #47
OK thanks! FakeNoose Dec 2019 #48
Here's one more! Leith Dec 2019 #18
Oh no, that's the circle game! Kingofalldems Dec 2019 #19
Circle game my poototie - nothing but racism. Thanks for posting this. nt iluvtennis Dec 2019 #20
It is literally just a way of trolling us... RazBerryBeret Dec 2019 #21
What do you mean by trolling, that they're sending out racist signals? Be clear. brush Dec 2019 #25
if you read the linked article RazBerryBeret Dec 2019 #44
Thank you caraher Dec 2019 #41
Is there any significance to the direction of the fingers? Lonestarblue Dec 2019 #22
I'm thinking of finger-spelling in American Sign Language. CaptYossarian Dec 2019 #35
I think it's all in where they are holding their hands caraher Dec 2019 #40
I think poor white people who vote republican are the most Politicub Dec 2019 #24
The Gateway Pundit at the White House. lapucelle Dec 2019 #30
Army And Navy Spokesmen DallasNE Dec 2019 #31
A game they were playing? With whom? At a football game...? Grins Dec 2019 #34
Would be interesting for media to do follow-up investigation of offending cadets' backgrounds. Sneederbunk Dec 2019 #37
Context always matters caraher Dec 2019 #38
We don't use the word fascist enough these days. nt Hotler Dec 2019 #43
Their Investigation Was Similar... JimGinPA Dec 2019 #45
I like the Daily Show's interpretation drmeow Dec 2019 #50
Look who else... Rollo Dec 2019 #51

blugbox

(951 posts)
1. Thank you!!!
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 10:26 AM
Dec 2019

I don't know why people refuse to see this. Yes, it has other meaning if used appropriately, but this is absolutely a real hand gesture signaling white power. Denying it at this point gives them even more power, cause they get to claim it's just a game or whatever...

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
3. Or they already know and either support it or don't care.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 10:29 AM
Dec 2019

As soon as this happened, these racist assholes where all over Twitter talking about some Gotcha game.SMH🙄

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
23. Remember
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 12:38 PM
Dec 2019

when our POW's were forced to appear in North Vietnamese propaganda video's saying bad things about the U.S. and several of the POW's were flipping the bird with their fingers? Their captors caught on to them and believed what the POW's told them was the "hawaiian good luck sign"....Then, the NorComs learned what it really meant and tortured them endlessly for making fools out of them.......

Botany

(70,518 posts)
7. She did it multiple time during the hearings and laughed about it.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 10:39 AM
Dec 2019

She is pretty, smart, rich, well contacted, and a piece of shit. Giggling as she sends out
a racist gang sign to Trump's bigoted base. @ my now later father's funeral in Feb. 2019
one of his colleagues (poli sci) said that he sees Trump's support falling off as more and
more dirt comes out on him but Trump has a solid 25% base that will never leave him
because @ their core they are racists.

I can't believe that the Naval Academy let that shit slide.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
8. I can, have you seen how they have removed the word White Nationalist,
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 10:44 AM
Dec 2019

as a requirement for Military enlistees? Also the photo of the fascist police officers doing a heil Hitler salute in that one photo? This crap is happening at a terrifying pace.

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
26. Ha!!!!!
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 12:48 PM
Dec 2019

I started pointing this out months before most others even started noticing it.... The people I pointed it out to, all said the same thing: You're imagining things, it doesn't mean that, your starting a liberal conspiracy theory, etc etc etc.....

Go back to trump's public appearances/public speeches....he would emphasize a point he was making with that hand signal. He used it as a dog whistle to his crowd, flagrantly in front of all the people in America.......

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
29. There a several scenarios, all seeming to bloom at once, that
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 12:58 PM
Dec 2019

in the past we would would have been accused of spreading conspiracy theories.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
33. Indeed and when you think about all of the branches of law enforcement
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:03 PM
Dec 2019

they have infiltrated, it is all quite terrifying. I am a white woman and do not trust them, not one bit. I can't imagine the fear they strike in any minorities.😔
He is building his own SS at a frightening pace.

Botany

(70,518 posts)
15. It was sad but he had a good run
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 11:39 AM
Dec 2019

@ 90 he died in his bedroom with his wife there .... he had broken his hip a few
months prior to that and after he was confined to bed or his chair his heart problems
kicked in .... the hospice people were wonderful.

kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
5. That's what they do.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 10:36 AM
Dec 2019

Take it as their own and then they always have an out. Just a game, just a joke, just a misunderstanding. Creeps.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
17. Curius that this "game"
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 11:48 AM
Dec 2019

seems to only involve WHITE people. Most games are for everyone, aren't they? That vile Roger Stone needs to be in prison - YESTERDAY. He has been on the loose too long.

3Hotdogs

(12,393 posts)
36. Where yiz libs get it wrong. Proof it is the circle game.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:11 PM
Dec 2019

All the real white power people have their fingers up. The cadets fingers are pointing down.

















Yes, Agnes, its satire. Calm down.

rampartc

(5,413 posts)
6. if they had been sugnalling "ok" i might have bought it
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 10:37 AM
Dec 2019

but a game in which if I look at their hand they get to punch me? no, if there is such a game that is not the time or place to play it.

I hope the naval academy imposes the maximum punishment (maybe many hours of guarding the parade ground in the snow) for this really dumb behavior.

 

DanieRains

(4,619 posts)
16. Thats It - The Circle Represents Their Asshole
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 11:42 AM
Dec 2019

Makes perfect sense.

Waning dying white MALE power.

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
39. Among other things
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:21 PM
Dec 2019

In my travels to other countries and cultures, I learned to be very careful about making hand gestures.

The OK Sign
What you think you’re saying: That sounds, great! Perfect!
What you’re actually saying: You’re an asshole.

The OK Sign, made by connecting the thumb and the forefinger in to an “o” shape, has varying meanings around the world. In the U.S. and Australia, it means “okay.” In many Middle Eastern countries it’s viewed as a threatening sign while in Turkey it’s used in a derogatory way to refer to someone as homosexual. In Mexico it can be used to call someone a coward and in Brazil it’s the equivalent of the middle finger.

Source: 5 Hand Gestures to Avoid Making While Traveling

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
42. Fritz it means something different in Germany
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:35 PM
Dec 2019

I know this because I've been to Germany several times and I know Germans who live here in the US. When Germans give the circle-finger sign (the A-OK sign) they are saying "You're an asshole." It's the German equivalent of an American giving someone the finger.

In the US we've used the circle-finger sign to mean A-OK at least since World War 2 and maybe before that. The White Supremacy people have co-opted the sign for their own use, so now the rest of us can't use it any more.

Anybody who uses it NOW is telling the world "I'm an asshole!"

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
47. You are just slightly off
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 02:06 PM
Dec 2019

Ok has been around but A-OK is post WW2 and was popularized by the Mercury program:

The phrase "A-ok" had been in use at least as far back as 1952, when it appeared in an advertisement by Midvac Steels which read "A-OK for tomorrow's missile demands"[1]

US Air Force Lt. Col. John "Shorty" Powers popularized it while serving in the 1960s as NASA's public affairs officer for Project Mercury, the "voice of Mercury Control". He was reported as attributing the expression to astronaut Alan Shepard during his historic Freedom 7 flight, which was the United States' first manned space flight.[2][3] However, in his book, The Right Stuff, author Tom Wolfe wrote that Powers had borrowed the expression from NASA engineers who used it during radio transmission tests because "the sharper sound of A cut through the static better than O".[3]

-Wiki

RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
21. It is literally just a way of trolling us...
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 12:16 PM
Dec 2019

i'm sure they think it's funny its a perfect troll scheme. They get to claim it's a "game" and that WE lib-ruls are too sensitive about everything. It became a prank on the website 4chan, it was called Operation O-KKK. I would bet that all these assholes doing this sign on camera know exactly what they are doing.

https://www.adl.org/blog/how-the-ok-symbol-became-a-popular-trolling-gesture

RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
44. if you read the linked article
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:44 PM
Dec 2019

it started as a "prank" to draw attention and make the left talk about it, tweet about it, post it to social media.
Since they made it up, they got a kick out of seeing the reactions (trolling). from the article:

The “OK” hand gesture originated as one of these hoaxes in February 2017 when an anonymous 4channer announced “Operation O-KKK,” telling other members that “we must flood Twitter and other social media websites…claiming that the OK hand sign is a symbol of white supremacy.” The user even provided a helpful graphic showing how the letters WP (for “white power”) could be traced within an “OK” gesture. The originator and others also suggested useful hashtags to help spread the hoax, such as #PowerHandPrivilege and #NotOkay. “Leftists have dug so deep down into their lunacy,” wrote the poster, “We must force [them] to dig more, until the rest of society ain’t going anywhere near that s***.”
Following the cues of the hoax’s originator, 4channers created fake e-mail and Twitter accounts and bombarded civil rights organizations, journalists, and others with messages furthering the “OK” hoax. It is possible that some of the hoaxers were racists or white supremacists themselves, as parts of 4chan are something of a haven for them, and the site itself has been a source of adherents of the alt right segment of the white supremacist movement.


other Prank/Trolls were initiated for the same purpose. clip from the article:

"One 2017 4chan thread devoted itself to brainstorming the next such hoax. “We need to make some pics that are warning parents about what the dab really means and spread it around,” wrote one 4channer (the “dab” is a popular dance move). Another 4channer suggested spreading the notion that clapping was “anti-feminist.”
One of the more successful of these recent 4chan hoaxes, also originating in February 2017, was the concept that white supremacists were drinking milk to show “the superiority of the white race” and the “purity of white milk.” One hoaxer trying to convince the Anti-Defamation League “explained” that “they are chugging milk in front of people of color, quoting racist books and phrases and supposed statistics about people of color being lactose intolerant.” A number of media websites bought into the milk hoax."

I hope that is more clear?

caraher

(6,278 posts)
41. Thank you
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:24 PM
Dec 2019

Both things are happening these days - use of the gesture by racists (originally just to troll but now sometimes with all sincerity) and innocent everyday use. Being dogmatic about it is what gave the gesture its power - people read a hoax story and bought into it.

Lonestarblue

(10,017 posts)
22. Is there any significance to the direction of the fingers?
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 12:38 PM
Dec 2019

The white nationalists all seem to have three fingers pointing up, while the cadets have their fingers pointing down.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
35. I'm thinking of finger-spelling in American Sign Language.
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:09 PM
Dec 2019

Pointing up, it makes the letter K--as in KKK.

Pointing down, it makes the letter P. I'm working on what that stands for, other than what's in the next sentence.

Either way, it's obvious there is a W and a P (using the wrist) for White Power. These morons are learning marksmanship, bomb-making, and hand-to-hand combat skills. With body armor, they become Robo-dork.

Remember, McVeigh and Nichols got their skills at Fort Benning. These scum are at the Harvard of military schools. Their training will be far superior to those other domestic terrorists.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
40. I think it's all in where they are holding their hands
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:21 PM
Dec 2019

Holding the hands low makes it hard to point the fingers up because it would require an unnatural wrist bend.

This is also, to my mind, evidence in support of the "circle game" conclusion. Holding the hand low is apparently part of this dumb game.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
24. I think poor white people who vote republican are the most
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 12:43 PM
Dec 2019

pathetic group of people in the US.

They vote for shredding the safety net that they disproportionately rely on, accept catastrophic levels of national debt which will make the lives of their children harder, and elect politicians that implement policies that lead to hospital closings in their rural communities.

I come from a poor, rural white family. I left the backwardness and ignorance behind the moment I left for college. But they’re still there, smug in their MAGA beliefs. And for the ones who aren’t hardcore Trump supporters, they are apathetic and don’t vote. Most of them are still in poverty and rely on shrinking government programs like Medicaid, disability payments and food stamps. They complain when their meager allotment of food stamps get cut.

They are so driven by their hate of diverse, progressive America that they will elect people who are making moves that lower life expectancy. The white supremacy movement is a cancer that needs to be ripped out of the fabric of our society. They seek to destroy the body of America.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
31. Army And Navy Spokesmen
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 12:59 PM
Dec 2019

Were addressing an audience of one. Their jobs were on the line so their statement was a foregone conclusion. White nationalists are now in charge of all branches of our federal government, most especially those with enforcement powers.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
38. Context always matters
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:16 PM
Dec 2019

I won't reflexively translate that as a "white power" symbol unless the context makes it pretty clear what's going on. That's because for 53 years of my life it carried no racist meaning, that racist meaning was manufactured by what started as a hoax, and I and many others I know have no interest in advancing white nationalism are may still be prone to making that hand gesture without thinking about the new meaning it sometimes carry (i.e. I can't say for certain that I've never signaled "OK" that way since the white nationalists started using it to troll us). The ADL web page on it is my guide, and their bottom line is this:

"Use of the okay symbol in most contexts is entirely innocuous and harmless."

In 2017, the “okay” hand gesture acquired a new and different significance thanks to a hoax by members of the website 4chan to falsely promote the gesture as a hate symbol, claiming that the gesture represented the letters “wp,” for “white power.” The “okay” gesture hoax was merely the latest in a series of similar 4chan hoaxes using various innocuous symbols; in each case, the hoaxers hoped that the media and liberals would overreact by condemning a common image as white supremacist.

In the case of the “okay” gesture, the hoax was so successful the symbol became a popular trolling tactic on the part of right-leaning individuals, who would often post photos to social media of themselves posing while making the “okay” gesture.


The tweets are loaded with proud racists openly flashing that symbol. The context for the military academies was a "College Gameday" program, which typically features college students horsing around. To me, that context is fundamentally ambiguous. It could be as sinister as white nationalism or as dumb as the circle game. I'm inclined to believe the results of investigation into the incident. To ignore context makes as much sense as concluding cultures that used swastikas were Nazis. And in the end, it was the gullibility of us on the left that turned this symbol sinister, by giving idiots who thing the purpose of politics is to "trigger the libs" exactly what they thrive on.

JimGinPA

(14,811 posts)
45. Their Investigation Was Similar...
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 01:46 PM
Dec 2019

To the investigation I had about who ate those Christmas cookies I ate last night. I found myself innocent too.







drmeow

(5,020 posts)
50. I like the Daily Show's interpretation
Sun Dec 22, 2019, 08:46 PM
Dec 2019

It's not White Power, it's Weak Penis. Every time we see it we should respond "look, it's the weak penis symbol."

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