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greyl

(22,990 posts)
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:45 AM Dec 2019

Ram Dass, Being Somewhere Else Now. RIP Ram Dass.

The American spiritual leader, yogi, counterculture icon, and Be Here Now author has died. He was 88.

By Joan Duncan Oliver Dec 22, 2019


If there is an enduring figure emblematic of the consciousness revolution of the 1960s and 70s, it is arguably the Harvard professor and LSD researcher-turned-spiritual leader born Richard Alpert but known the world over as Ram Dass. With Timothy Leary, his colleague in the Harvard psychology department, he forever changed a generation of Americans through his explorations with psilocybin, LSD-75, and other psychedelics before reinventing himself as a spiritual teacher and humanitarian—a bhakti yogi with love as his path. When Ram Dass died on Sunday evening, one of the most beloved voices of the counterculture fell silent. He was 88 years old.

It was Leary who famously exhorted American youth to “Turn on, tune in, drop out,” but it was Alpert who became a model of awakening that wasn’t dependent on drugs. Fired from Harvard in 1963 for giving LSD to an undergraduate, Alpert moved to Millbrook, New York, with Leary, who had been fired ostensibly for not showing up for his classes. In Millbrook, the two continued their psychedelic experimentation with an ever-changing cast of psychonauts and acidheads. But in 1967, Alpert, still searching, left for India. There he found his guru, the Hindu sadhu Neem Karoli Baba, known as Maharaj-ji, characteristically wrapped in a blanket and seated on a wooden tucket, a low Indian bed. Curious to see how a spiritual adept would react to LSD, Alpert gave Maharaj-ji a whopping dose. It had zero effect on the holy man. Over the next few years until Maharaj-ji’s death in 1973, Alpert—by then renamed Ram Dass, or Servant of God, by Maharaj-ji—periodically returned to be with his guru. Resettling in America in 1974, he started a new life based on a different kind of turn-on—meditation—and his own synthesis of Buddhist, Hindu, Advaita, and Sufi teachings, and later, Jewish mysticism.

In Be Here Now, Ram Dass‘s first book for the masses, which has sold over 2 million copies since publication in 1971, he offered seekers an engaging, unconventional, slightly zany roadmap for finding a spiritual path and a more enduring connection to higher consciousness than a tab of acid could bring. From then on, in close to a dozen books and countless teachings, retreats, and podcasts, Ram Dass continued to share the wisdom of a journey that had long gone beyond personal transformation to embrace a cosmic worldview and social agenda.

https://tricycle.org/trikedaily/ram-dass-dies/



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-ram-dass/ram-dass-psychedelic-drug-pioneer-dies-at-home-aged-88-idUSKBN1YR0KY

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Ram Dass, Being Somewhere Else Now. RIP Ram Dass. (Original Post) greyl Dec 2019 OP
May your transition be filled with joy. The_jackalope Dec 2019 #1
Grumble grumble cafeteria-style western appropriation grumble Recursion Dec 2019 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author druidity33 Dec 2019 #4
Have you seen the Bikram documentary on Netflix? Recursion Dec 2019 #5
Wait a minute. I thought he said he was gay in one of his last documentaries Maraya1969 Dec 2019 #9
Do you have any evidence for this? Ram Dass was a far cry from enough Dec 2019 #11
OK Wikipedia says he said he was bisexual Maraya1969 Dec 2019 #18
I don't think Ram Dass was ever accused of any of that sort of thing. enough Dec 2019 #40
OK good. I thought I read someone saying something like that and Maraya1969 Dec 2019 #41
Is life really supposed to be that purist? The_jackalope Dec 2019 #21
+ 1 red dog 1 Jan 2020 #45
Ji Jang Bosal janterry Dec 2019 #3
was thinking aboiit him yesterday joe_stampingbull Dec 2019 #6
I remember getting his book "be here now" when I was a kid mitch96 Dec 2019 #7
A cheaper version of E.S.T. 3Hotdogs Dec 2019 #8
"A cheaper version of E.S.T." Ahhh good ol' Werner Erhard aka john rosenberg aka...... mitch96 Dec 2019 #15
I did the est (now Landmark Education) training back in 1977 calguy Dec 2019 #27
Is that what they teach? You can learn that from any number of Maraya1969 Dec 2019 #19
From my understanding he just repackaged spiritual teachings of other faiths and teachers mitch96 Dec 2019 #37
That sounds like abuse! Abuse that you pay a lot for. Maraya1969 Dec 2019 #38
"If you think it's all gone, wrong." greyl Dec 2019 #42
I just finished reading "Comedy Sex God" by Pete Holmes FakeNoose Dec 2019 #10
May he reach the highest possible evolution BuddhaGirl Dec 2019 #12
I loved Ram Dass. He kept me whole. May he always be remembered. ancianita Dec 2019 #13
I remember years ago when I used to smoke and felt bad about it Maraya1969 Dec 2019 #20
He had that effect on us, didn't he. ancianita Dec 2019 #22
RIP Ram Dass. panader0 Dec 2019 #14
+1 mitch96 Dec 2019 #16
I've referred to his books many times, and highly recommend you read them again. ancianita Dec 2019 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Cetacea Dec 2019 #31
Or you could just go straight to another teacher. This is the guy Maraya1969 Dec 2019 #39
Ram Dass, spiritual seeker who brought Eastern mysticism to the masses, dies at 88 mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2019 #17
The late great Phil Frank's hat tip and get well strip to Ram Dass Brother Buzz Dec 2019 #24
I take issue with the subject line garybeck Dec 2019 #25
Bullseye! nt yesphan Dec 2019 #26
But when you explain it, it's not funny any more... nt The_jackalope Dec 2019 #32
He left what? Does "be here now" have no meaning then? greyl Dec 2019 #33
That's the point. garybeck Dec 2019 #34
Zen and the comic spirit. greyl Jan 2020 #46
Oh nobly born, pass gently to the next cycle of your journey... Hekate Dec 2019 #28
Thanks Ram Dass! Newest Reality Dec 2019 #29
... Cetacea Dec 2019 #30
"we are all just walking each other home." Ram Dass n/t babydollhead Dec 2019 #35
I love that quote. red dog 1 Jan 2020 #44
Love is the bridge between you and everything. -Rumi littlemissmartypants Dec 2019 #36
"The quieter you become, the more you can hear." Ram Dass red dog 1 Jan 2020 #43

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
1. May your transition be filled with joy.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:11 AM
Dec 2019

You helped change a generation. A copy of Be Here Now still has a place of honour on my bookshelf.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
2. Grumble grumble cafeteria-style western appropriation grumble
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:49 AM
Dec 2019

I wish him well, wherever he is now, but I've listened to way way way too many complaints about his treatment of south Asian philosophy and religion to praise his career.

Response to Recursion (Reply #2)

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. Have you seen the Bikram documentary on Netflix?
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:12 AM
Dec 2019

Holy crap. I knew it was bad but I didn't realize how bad.

Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
9. Wait a minute. I thought he said he was gay in one of his last documentaries
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:00 AM
Dec 2019

Do you have a link or a name where I can find this?

enough

(13,259 posts)
11. Do you have any evidence for this? Ram Dass was a far cry from
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:56 AM
Dec 2019

Bikram. There was ambient sexism in his scene in the early days (1970’s) but I’m not aware of abuse.

Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
18. OK Wikipedia says he said he was bisexual
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:45 PM
Dec 2019

Personal life

In the 1990s, Ram Dass discussed his bisexuality.[42][43][44] He stated, "I've started to talk more about being bisexual, being involved with men as well as women," and added his opinion that being gay "isn't gay, and it's not not-gay, and it's not anything—it's just awareness."[44] At 78, Ram Dass learned that he had fathered a son as a 24-year-old, at Stanford during a brief affair with a history major named Karen Saum, and that he was now a grandfather. The fact came to light when his son Peter Reichard, a 53-year-old banker in North Carolina, took a DNA test after learning about his mother's doubt concerning Peter's parentage.[45][46]


This is the footnote [42]
https://throughyourbody.com/ram-dass-talking-about-being-gay-being-soul-friends-and-just-being/

Ram Dass: Talking About Being Gay, Being Soul Friends, and Just Being

------------------------------

Are you all referring to that Bikram yoga that was on a documentary recently with the guy who sexually abused so many women? I did not know the Ram Dass was involved with any of that.

enough

(13,259 posts)
40. I don't think Ram Dass was ever accused of any of that sort of thing.
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 02:04 PM
Dec 2019

It’s hard to imagine anyone more different from Bikram in his teachings and his way of being, at least in the early decades.

Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
41. OK good. I thought I read someone saying something like that and
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 03:36 PM
Dec 2019

I was almost positive that I could not be true. You could tell by watching that Bikram guy that he had an addiction to control. Ram Dass was nothing of that sort.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
21. Is life really supposed to be that purist?
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:11 PM
Dec 2019

Sez who? It's only life, after all. To be lived however seems right to you.

I love Ram Dass. But then I also love Leary, and Osho, and Ramana Maharshi, and Nisargadatta, and Alan Watts and Valentine Michael Smith, and David Bohm. Life is an all-you-can-eat smorgasbord. Dig in!

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
3. Ji Jang Bosal
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:52 AM
Dec 2019

I had one of his malas, once (and passed in on to someone in need).

He was a great man, made much, much greater after the stroke.

Very sad news.

mitch96

(13,912 posts)
7. I remember getting his book "be here now" when I was a kid
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:03 AM
Dec 2019

Read it twice and never got it..Years later and a lot of spiritual teachings of all faiths I got it..
All we have is "Now".... Came to him in the late '60's via LSD/Tim Leary/Alan Watts/TM and being in and around Millbrook NY... Magical time...
Like all men, Richard Alpert had his faults... and I believe he did some good in the world too..
m

3Hotdogs

(12,391 posts)
8. A cheaper version of E.S.T.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 08:42 AM
Dec 2019

The importance you give to your past is not important... and probably not accurate anyway.

mitch96

(13,912 posts)
15. "A cheaper version of E.S.T." Ahhh good ol' Werner Erhard aka john rosenberg aka......
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:13 PM
Dec 2019

Went to a couple of his seminars...... all questionable from what I saw... Then again what would you expect from a former used car salesman...
m

calguy

(5,315 posts)
27. I did the est (now Landmark Education) training back in 1977
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:06 PM
Dec 2019

It changed my life for the better. I was out of the "expansion" movement for much of the late 80's and 90's. During the past 10 years I've once again become interested in expanding my experience of life and when I study some of today's teachings I always remember that I had previously learned them earlier in est, way back then. I never realized how much it was on the cutting edge back then. With the passage of time one realizes that the more things change, the more the true truths remain constant. the only thing that changes is the way in which they are taught.

Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
19. Is that what they teach? You can learn that from any number of
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:56 PM
Dec 2019

spiritual teachers on Youtube. I finally got the concept about 2/3 way though Eckart Tolle's book, "A New Earth" All of a sudden the idea of the present being the only thing that is and that the past and future are only constructs in my head was REALLY clear.

That changed my life. I've been following Advaita teachers ever since.

mitch96

(13,912 posts)
37. From my understanding he just repackaged spiritual teachings of other faiths and teachers
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 08:15 AM
Dec 2019

Threw in some new age marketing and made himself a bucket load of money. Yes he helped many people in the fact it was kinda sorta a one stop shop to get down to the nitty gritty of it all...
Way too regimented for me... I went to one of the retreats in Upstate NY. They had repelling and zip lines "to challenge your fears". Me? I just wanted to zip line and repel and the intro price was right.
As with a few of these programs with seminars one is never enough. The facilitators kept telling you, you NEED to go to the next level (and pay another $700-$1000) for the training..
At the seminar the "challanged" us to wear a bathingsuit and have the trainers look VERY closely at out bodys. Many were in tears. At group meeting they would ask if you could tell stand up andthe group something you could NEVER EVER UNDER PAIN OF DEATH tell you mother..Now that was interesting. Lots of sexual deviants/beastiality/theft etc were revealed . Lots of pain came out.
All in all it was run like a boot camp... When I got home the phone would not stop with them calling (pre internet) to recruit me to go to the next level.. The longer I resisted the lower the price was... My take on the whole thing?
I liked zip lining and repelling...
m

Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
38. That sounds like abuse! Abuse that you pay a lot for.
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 12:34 PM
Dec 2019

When it changed to "Landmark" a friend of mine got into it. She and her new husband became seriously irritating sales, (working for free) pushers and she kept on my ass for months.

Finally, after she said something to the effect that, "It would help you a lot" I said "I don't think I need that help" and she got off the phone quickly and dropped me as a friend.

It was sad because before that we were good friends. I also think her republican new husband didn't like me so there is that.

Life goes on.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
10. I just finished reading "Comedy Sex God" by Pete Holmes
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 09:23 AM
Dec 2019

... which is a great, entertaining book by the way. But I bring it up because Ram Dass became a major figure in Pete Holmes' spiritual journey. He tells many interesting stories about how his show business career, his spiritual life and his love life have intersected and overlapped. A highly recommended book.

On that note, Rest In Peace Ram Dass. You have been a major force for good in this world and in our generation. Thanks for sharing it with us.



Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
20. I remember years ago when I used to smoke and felt bad about it
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:58 PM
Dec 2019

a friend told me that she heard Ram Dass say, "If you are still smoking smoke with joy!"

What a concept! So I did that. And then eventually I quit.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
14. RIP Ram Dass.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 10:29 AM
Dec 2019

I read most of your book back when. It's been many years since my last trip.
I don't know where to get it anymore. I listened to a speech by Ken Kesey
once where he called taking LSD "going to look at the books".
I think, at age 69, it may be time for me to look at the books again.

ancianita

(36,092 posts)
23. I've referred to his books many times, and highly recommend you read them again.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:19 PM
Dec 2019

His Be Here Now, Grist For The Mill and Still Here. All enlightening.

Response to panader0 (Reply #14)

Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
39. Or you could just go straight to another teacher. This is the guy
Tue Dec 24, 2019, 12:45 PM
Dec 2019

I follow



https://mooji.org/

I can't tell you how much I love this guy. There are tons of his teachings and Satsangs on Youtube. I listen most days.

He is a student of Papaji who was a student of Ramana Maharshi.

I've also been in his presence. And I swear it is like what people reported about Jesus. That just touching his robe was healing. Being near Mooji, you can feel pure love, (or God....idk) wafting out from him. I've also been to his Ashram in Portugal and I swear, all the pain, (I've had chronic pain for a long time) just went away. The energy just pulls you out of yourself.

I'm planning on going again; this time for 2 months starting in March!

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
17. Ram Dass, spiritual seeker who brought Eastern mysticism to the masses, dies at 88
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 01:35 PM
Dec 2019
Obituaries
Ram Dass, spiritual seeker who brought Eastern mysticism to the masses, dies at 88


Ram Dass, left, and former Harvard University professor Timothy Leary visit the campus in 1988. (JOE WRINN/AP)

By Bart Barnes
Dec. 23, 2019 at 6:37 a.m. EST

Ram Dass, a popular author and white-robbed apostle of Eastern mysticism who began his transcendental journey more than 50 years ago as the right-hand disciple of psychedelic-drug advocate Timothy Leary, died Dec. 22 at his home on Maui. He was 88.

His death was announced on his official Instagram account. He had a paralyzing stroke in 1997, but the immediate cause of death was not disclosed.

“Be Here Now,” Ram Dass’s signature book, described his improbable evolution. Born Richard Alpert, the son of a railroad president and pillar of Boston’s Jewish elite, he grew up as a self-described “closet homosexual” in a “Jewish anxiety-ridden, high-achieving tradition.”

He gravitated to a lifestyle of heavy drug use in the 1960s while working as an associate professor of clinical psychology at Harvard University but found inner peace and spiritual enlightenment through meditation and yoga. An Indian guru gave him a new name, Ram Dass, which means “servant of God” in Hindi.

The book came out in 1971, just after the peak years of the socio-cultural revolution that dominated the 1960s, and sold 2 million copies. Decades later, New York Times book critic Dwight Garner called it the “counterculture bible.”
....

Richard Alpert was born in Boston on April 6, 1931, and was the youngest of three sons. He had a history of tension with his controlling father, George, a high-powered Boston lawyer, president of the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad, and a founder of Brandeis University. His father harangued him to become a doctor, while the younger Alpert expressed interest in psychology.

After graduating in 1952 from Tufts College (now University) in Medford, Mass., he received a master’s degree in psychology at Wesleyan University in 1954 and a doctorate in psychology at Stanford University in 1957.

He developed a reputation in graduate school as a spellbinding teacher, and in 1958 joined the Harvard faculty as an assistant professor. “I had an apartment that was filled with antiques and I gave very charming dinner parties,” he later wrote in “Be Here Now.” “I had a Mercedes-Benz sedan and a Triumph 500 CC motorcycle and a Cessna 172 airplane and an MG sports car and a sailboat and a bicycle.”

But he never realized how unhappy he was, he said, until he began tripping and “felt a new kind of calmness” and “a place where ‘I’ existed independent of social and physical identity.”
....

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
24. The late great Phil Frank's hat tip and get well strip to Ram Dass
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:46 PM
Dec 2019


Gift of the artist to the writer (I did a lot of collaborations with Phil Frank on the San Francisco Chronicle's "Farley" strip). This particular strip features one of Phil's most lovable characters, Baba-Re-Bop, the "small medium at large", also known as the "multi-medium". Baba always struggles with the same problem in Phil's strips--he only has one follower, a day-trader from the financial district--and this student is a part-time worshipper at that. SCENE: This strip was written in March 1997, at the time that noted and beloved spiritual teacher Ram Dass was unfortunately suffering from a stroke. Knowing Ram Dass' excellent sense of humor, and knowing that he was going to make it through this OK, Phil and I decided to cheer him up by putting him into a comic strip. Unlike Baba, the real guru Ram Dass had many thousands of people who sat with him and listened to what he had to say (and he still does!) Ram Dass loved to play golf, and did in fact own an MG TD. Baba re Bop, ever the rascal, no doubt had designs on starting a temporary guru franchise of his own while Ram Dass recovered. (I don't think he ever got the car keys and golf clubs, though.) Ram Dass lives in Hawaii now and he's "still here" and still teaching, along with his assistants. We love you Ram Dass! Phil's original art is well worth what is being asked here. Also, a portion of this sale will be automatically be donated to Doctors Without Borders . So we are co-contributors! FREE shipping.

garybeck

(9,942 posts)
25. I take issue with the subject line
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:53 PM
Dec 2019

if you understand his philosophy, he is not "somewhere else" now. he simply left his body, which is a temporary vehicle. in the soul world, there is no time and space, so he is not "somewhere else." he is everywhere and nowhere, and that did not change with his death. he was always everywhere and nowhere. it is only when we hop inside a body that we have to deal with time and space.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
33. He left what? Does "be here now" have no meaning then?
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:11 PM
Dec 2019

Relative to his physical self, he's now somewhere else, according to his philosophy. But anyway, I was just trying to break the news gently playing with his famous saying.

https://beherenownetwork.com/ram-dass-ep-127-what-survives/

garybeck

(9,942 posts)
34. That's the point.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 07:12 PM
Dec 2019

The physical self is not him. His body died. He is not the body. I am not my body either.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
28. Oh nobly born, pass gently to the next cycle of your journey...
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:19 PM
Dec 2019


One teeny tiny quibble directed at those who want to blame my entire generation for all the ills of the world, this from the obit: "... he forever changed a generation of Americans through his explorations..."

Boomers are a large generation -- not our fault, by the way -- and nothing if not diverse in our experiences and opinions.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
29. Thanks Ram Dass!
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:44 PM
Dec 2019

Your contributions were a bright and colorful light to many beings. Thank you from the heart of being.

Now that the body/mind has fallen off, you are freedom itself, like a bird of spirit with vast wings, soaring across infinity! Total satisfaction. No requirements. Nothing to do or not do. Absolute and empty. Peace Profound! It is done. Ah!

Namaste

Tashi Delek!

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