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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 02:23 PM Dec 2019

Joyce Vance, Time Magazine: Trump acquittal in Senate is not "exoneration"

Trump May Be Acquitted in a Senate Impeachment Trial. That's Not the Same as Being Exonerated

https://time.com/5754646/impeachment-senate-trial/

BY JOYCE WHITE VANCE 12:10 PM EST

Imagine this scenario in a courtroom: The prosecutor and defense lawyer speak to the judge in advance of a trial for an attempted bank robbery The indictment, voted on by the grand jury, recites that the defendant tried to rob the bank by demanding money from a teller and threatening her if she didn’t give it to him. But the crime was interrupted by others in the bank who saw it in progress and the defendant wasn’t able to finish the robbery.

During the investigation, the defendant was able to keep people who were around him while he was planning the robbery from talking with investigators. He denied that he had ever wanted to rob the bank. The defendant ignored subpoenas for documents that could have shed light on his thinking or proven his innocence. Fortunately, some witnesses did come forward and some documents came to light. Prosecutors obtained enough evidence to get an indictment, which requires probable cause to believe a crime was committed, despite the defendant’s efforts to obstruct their work.

Now, as they discuss the trial with the judge, the prosecution learns the usual rules won’t apply. It won’t be able to put on any evidence at trial to support the allegations against the defendant. None of the witnesses it interviewed will be permitted to testify. None of the withheld information will be available. And although newly discovered evidence suggests that the defendant may have asked some of his friends to help him carry out the robbery, it won’t be admitted, and witnesses that the prosecution has requested to testify about that won’t be permitted to testify.

Also, some of the jurors have already committed to vote for the defendant. They will still be permitted to participate and vote in the trial.
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usaf-vet

(6,189 posts)
5. And now it appears the defendant and his supporters are passing around money to the jury members.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 03:49 PM
Dec 2019

Could it be any more corrupt?

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
6. Ah yes, Reality. Such a old fashioned, quaint concept.
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 04:40 PM
Dec 2019

It holds nothing to the elaborate fake reality that Trump spins minute by minute.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
7. 3rd paragraph. If this is how rePuticans want our justice system to work. FINE!
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:11 PM
Dec 2019

Let all courts follow the same guidelines and watch the wheels come off this republic in a heartbeat.

The only think rePuticans are doing is delaying the inevitable; their party platform is a lie and has always been a lie. The stain on the GOP will be as bad as that of McCarthyism. It will usher in another several decades long era where anything related to the GOP will be frowned upon.

I cannot see any democrat I know of switching to the rePuticans, but I can see division and weakness in rePuticans switching to be either Independents or Democrats.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
8. I'm waiting for some idiot to claim that agent orange is exonerated
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 05:56 PM
Dec 2019

If that's the case, so was Bill Clinton. It will be funny to watch them sputter trying to contradict that notion.

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pwb

(11,276 posts)
10. Yea they just make shit up and throw it against the wall to see what sticks?
Mon Dec 23, 2019, 06:06 PM
Dec 2019

Desperation because it doesn't work anymore.

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