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jayschool2013

(2,313 posts)
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 01:01 PM Jan 2020

Grassley responds and I respond back

I wrote Grassley's office a month ago asking him to stand for the rule of law when the president's impeachment trial begins. Here is his (staff's) response (below that is mine):

Dear Mr. XXXX:

Thank you for taking the time to contact me. As your senator, it is important for me to hear from you.

I appreciate hearing your support for the impeachment of President Trump. The question of whether or not to impeach a duly elected public official, in this case the President of the United States, is an extremely serious one that was contemplated by the Framers and addressed in the Constitution. Accordingly, I am taking my constitutional role as a senator and juror seriously.

Article II, Section 4 of the United States Constitution provides that "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." Those are the sole bases for impeachment.

On December 18, 2019, the House of Representatives voted to adopt two articles of impeachment against President Trump. The first article provides that President Trump should be impeached for abuse of power, and the second article provides that he should be impeached for obstruction of Congress. This marks perhaps the most partisan impeachment in the history of the United States of America. In fact, the only bipartisanship the American people witnessed during the vote stood opposed to impeachment. The Framers of the Constitution warned against using impeachment as a partisan weapon. They were rightly concerned that impeachment would be determined by the strength of political parties instead of by real demonstrations of innocence or guilt. But that’s one reason why the Framers didn’t leave impeachment solely in the hands of the House of Representatives.

As an “impeached” government official, President Trump is now subject to a trial in the United States Senate. At the conclusion of the trial, the Senate—with each member taking on the role of a juror—will vote on whether to convict on one or both articles. Conviction, and thus the removal of an impeached official, requires “the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.” Until the House fully prosecutes its case before the Senate, and the President’s team presents its defense, I will withhold final judgment.

As you may know, however, I have many concerns with the way the House Majority conducted its impeachment proceedings. Following a whistleblower report regarding a phone call between President Trump and the Ukrainian president, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi immediately launched an impeachment inquiry. Instead of waiting to first learn the facts by reviewing the call transcript or hearing from the whistleblower, the Majority moved straight to their expedited inquiry—and an opaque one at that. The Majority’s inquiry ignored the procedural rights that were given to the investigating Committee’s minority in previous impeachments, such as equal subpoena power to both the chair and ranking member of the Committee. This is why I joined over 45 of my Senate colleagues in introducing a Senate resolution that called on the House of Representatives to provide members of the Minority with the ability to participate fully in all proceedings and have equal authority to issue subpoenas.

Whether the House successfully pleads its case before the Senate remains to be seen. The Majority’s desire to overturn the 2016 election by impeaching President Trump has been abundantly clear since before he took the oath of office. They’ve seemingly struggled, however, to arrive at a charge that can stand up to scrutiny. First it was collusion with Russia, but the special counsel spent two years and $35 million investigating, only to debunk the theory. The Majority then focused their efforts on an alleged “quid pro quo,” but that didn’t poll well with voters. So, they changed their allegation to bribery, but the facts and history didn’t seem to support that claim either. The articles ultimately passed by the House reflect that, once again, they had to water down their charge.

Unfortunately, the House Majority’s strung-out preoccupation with impeachment has come at a cost. For example, USMCA languished in the House for more than a year, only to finally and conveniently move just minutes after Speaker Pelosi announced articles of impeachment. Meanwhile, the Senate has remained focused on issues that matter most to the American people, like strengthening the economy, promoting job and wage growth and preventing a government shutdown.

To be clear: the Senate, through this impeachment trial, will carry out its constitutional duty with fairness and clear eyes, as opposed to blind partisanship. In the meantime, rest assured that I’ll continue my work on the issues that affect the everyday lives of Iowans.

Again, thank you for taking the time to contact me.

Sincerely,

Chuck Grassley
United States Senate

Dear Sen. Grassley:

Thank you for the thoughtful response, though it strains credulity that you would not believe the sworn testimony of dedicated and patriotic career civil servants, intelligence officers and military officials, and instead would choose to believe known serial conmen, liars and fabulists such as the president, former New York Mayor Giuliani, Rep. Nunes and others in your party who have made this a “partisan process.” If it weren’t for their slavishness to party over country, this wouldn’t be a partisan process. The president abused his powers to try to get a foreign ally to invent an investigation into a political opponent. Your only problem with the investigation should be that it didn’t start sooner, when Robert Mueller’s report identified 10 clear cases of obstruction of justice by this president.

Be very clear — Michael Cohen sits in jail today because he committed a crime ON BEHALF OF and AT THE DIRECTION OF the president. Do not turn a blind eye to this president’s criminality, or it will be a stain on your otherwise strong reputation as a public servant who usually stands for the rule of law.

Do not go down in history as the enabler of a criminal president.

Sincerely,

XXXX

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Grassley responds and I respond back (Original Post) jayschool2013 Jan 2020 OP
Grassley seems to be rather obscure during this impeachment scuffle. Frustratedlady Jan 2020 #1
Disappointing Senator Richluu Jan 2020 #8
Grassley doing the "Impeachment Shuffle" StClone Jan 2020 #11
he has always been extremely well versed in saying nothing rurallib Jan 2020 #14
Susan Collins, too. StClone Jan 2020 #18
In short: He's just another lying sack of shit. IMHO. rickyhall Jan 2020 #22
A good reply to Grassley's non-responsive response gratuitous Jan 2020 #2
The few times I've sent a letter by Email to my congressman, Mr.Bill Jan 2020 #3
Grassley is helping Trump to shred the Rule of Law bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #4
Excellent, concise response. n/t TheRickles Jan 2020 #5
Bravo, jayschool Leith Jan 2020 #6
Great response to Grassley's nonsensical answer to your letter. These senators are mentally damaged Pepsidog Jan 2020 #7
Well said. patphil Jan 2020 #9
His reply was just a fancy way of telling you that he too is a puppet for Trump. world wide wally Jan 2020 #10
200 Years!! jayschool2013 Jan 2020 #12
200... sprinkleeninow Jan 2020 #27
it scares me that so many members of the gop have closed their eyes to the evidence. grassley won't dawn5651 Jan 2020 #13
THANK YOU, jayschool2013! calimary Jan 2020 #15
Very good response. panader0 Jan 2020 #16
Thanks for writing the Grass man rurallib Jan 2020 #17
We have to try jayschool2013 Jan 2020 #20
Well done! n/t PatrickforO Jan 2020 #19
USMCA NAFTA 1.5 stalled while tRump kept tariffs on metals high. Grassley lied. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2020 #21
Good for you grantcart Jan 2020 #23
Well done! smirkymonkey Jan 2020 #24
"Strong reputation as a public servant..." ???? Scruffy1 Jan 2020 #25
Sometimes you gotta butter up your "friend across the aisle" so that he hears you. n/t Beartracks Jan 2020 #30
Thanks. jayschool2013 Jan 2020 #31
Thanks jayschool2013 Jan 2020 #33
dear grassley, thx for your long winded and warped dissertation sprinkleeninow Jan 2020 #26
Great response. llmart Jan 2020 #28
And Again why and how did he (Grassley) get into office again............his boots must have been turbinetree Jan 2020 #29
Great response bdamomma Jan 2020 #32
Send that as a letter to the editor of your local paper or the DM Register progressoid Jan 2020 #34
It's beyond ironic that Grassley would decry the impeachment process dlk Jan 2020 #35
Did Chuck use a pen or a pencil? Harker Jan 2020 #36
Mabe remind the old coot there are over 400 bills sitting in an undisclosed drawer... Historic NY Jan 2020 #37

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
1. Grassley seems to be rather obscure during this impeachment scuffle.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 01:30 PM
Jan 2020

I thought he'd be more visible during the "I want the Whistleblower's name!" fiasco. I do believe he made a statement, but it should have been more, since he has always supported whistleblowers and the laws to protect them.

IMHO, Grassley is sliding into retirement and wants to keep his record as clean as he can. He's been hiding for so long (since Pelosi mentioned impeachment), that I'd forgotten he was our senator. I had hoped he would stand more strongly for the law, but it's obvious he is a true Repuke, and honesty is out the window.

I won't bother to send my thoughts to him, as I see what the reply would be...the form letter you received. I knew it would be a wasted effort.

Richluu

(80 posts)
8. Disappointing Senator
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:00 PM
Jan 2020

I vote against him every time and wish he'd retire now! I met him a couple decades ago when I traveled to D. C., and he was good at chat with constituents. Obviously not good at the law anymore.

StClone

(11,686 posts)
11. Grassley doing the "Impeachment Shuffle"
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:17 PM
Jan 2020

Grassley in a long articulate reply,: "It's a serious matter ahem, argh, hhmm. But, Trump is a victim here of this partial procedure. Cough, gasp, awww and, ahh he ahh"...as Trump goes on to more and bigger crimes.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. A good reply to Grassley's non-responsive response
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 01:36 PM
Jan 2020

Never hurts to get in touch with your elected officials, and your reminder that there are close advisors to the president currently serving time in prison lifts this above "partisan politics" into the realm of legal wrongdoing. Good job.

Mr.Bill

(24,319 posts)
3. The few times I've sent a letter by Email to my congressman,
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 02:26 PM
Jan 2020

whether it was negative or positive I've gotten a form response telling me where to send him money.

bucolic_frolic

(43,286 posts)
4. Grassley is helping Trump to shred the Rule of Law
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 02:37 PM
Jan 2020

If GOP Senators such as Grassley, let Trump off, the entire court system at all levels will shrivel from lies because the GOP is evaporating morality, truth, oaths, human decency, and evidence. Judges and juries will tire from trying to sort it out. We are headed back to the Middle Ages when local magistrates had alternative methods like trial by cutting or burning. Religious superstition in other words.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
6. Bravo, jayschool
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 02:50 PM
Jan 2020

Thanks for trying. It's too bad that Grassley had nothing but the usual canned rethug responses to offer. Good on you for reminding him of the nonpartisan proof of agent orange's crimes in the Mueller report, Cohen's jail sentence, and testimonies of witnesses.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
7. Great response to Grassley's nonsensical answer to your letter. These senators are mentally damaged
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 02:51 PM
Jan 2020

in the cesspool Republican bubble of Fox News and RW propaganda. Guys like Grassley and Johnson sound like bumbling idiots. We need term limits and mandatory retirement age.

patphil

(6,207 posts)
9. Well said.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:11 PM
Jan 2020

There are a whole lot of Republican Congressmen who have put partisan politics over the needs of the country.
They know Trump is doing great damage to the Nation, and just don't seem to care.
They will not be judged well by future historians.

world wide wally

(21,754 posts)
10. His reply was just a fancy way of telling you that he too is a puppet for Trump.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:15 PM
Jan 2020

That's a shame after about 200 years as a Senator.

dawn5651

(604 posts)
13. it scares me that so many members of the gop have closed their eyes to the evidence. grassley won't
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:35 PM
Jan 2020

vote for impeachment.

calimary

(81,466 posts)
15. THANK YOU, jayschool2013!
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:39 PM
Jan 2020

So great that you wrote in, AND then responded after his reply!

Above all else, DON’T EVER let them get the last word.

rurallib

(62,448 posts)
17. Thanks for writing the Grass man
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 03:43 PM
Jan 2020

for years I have gone in spurts - I know writing Grass is an exercise in futility since his vote has long since been bought. I doubt he ever sees a single email. I am sure the lowliest of the low staff handles us rabble.

But I will pick up the torch and beg him and Joni to please, please do their jobs on impeachment.

jayschool2013

(2,313 posts)
20. We have to try
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:45 PM
Jan 2020

Otherwise, we give up on the concept of representative democracy.

Peace, and here's to ousting Joni and Trump in 2020!

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,036 posts)
21. USMCA NAFTA 1.5 stalled while tRump kept tariffs on metals high. Grassley lied.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 04:54 PM
Jan 2020

Once metal tariffs were taken off only in May 2019, seven months ago, then the Democratic Party had valid concerns on labour, environment, and pharmaceuticals. That required more negotiation between the three parties.

Notice how tRump signed in sharpie because his ego is biggest.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
23. Good for you
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 05:20 PM
Jan 2020

I would encourage you to send a follow up specifically on points relating to the whistleblower

Statements he made in his letter directly contradict his previous statements on whistleblowers which he has long championed. As Chairman of the Whistleblowers Caucus he has long advocated for whistleblowers, their rights and understanding their unique role.

In this case (and in most cases) the whistleblower is akin to a 911 caller and is NOT a witness. The statements in the letter simply repeat lies made by the Trump administration about the Whistleblower seek to undermine whistleblowers and stand in stark contrast to Grassley' s previous righteous stand for whistleblowers. In light of that Grassley should resign as Chairman of the Whistleblowers Caucus.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
25. "Strong reputation as a public servant..." ????
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:39 PM
Jan 2020

I'm from Iowa and he's always been a complete partisan hack and maybe the stupidest member of the Senate. I guess you get by in politics by acting kind of homey and not offending people. Fuck him. Writing a letter to an R is a waste. Some staffers do all the work and they Sernators like him bumble through the day. They never read the shit and their staff will tell them how much they are loved to keep their job and an opportunity to make it to K Street.

jayschool2013

(2,313 posts)
33. Thanks
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:08 AM
Jan 2020

The only thing I've ever really been good at is using my words to educate people. When I give up on that — even if "that" is trying to communicate with even the most recalcitrant GOP staffer working for someone as pig-headed as Charles Grassley — then I have to give up on our democratic republic.

And I'm not willing to do that yet.

I will write, and I will vote.

You do what you need to do.

sprinkleeninow

(20,255 posts)
26. dear grassley, thx for your long winded and warped dissertation
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 06:55 PM
Jan 2020
>>Unfortunately, the House Majority’s strung-out preoccupation with impeachment has come at a cost.<<

unfortunately sherlock, the cost exacted from the citizens of this country of ours is on you, your ringleader and your followers

that's the entity that is solely responsible for the necessitated impeachment proceedings

sod off....

llmart

(15,552 posts)
28. Great response.
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 07:35 PM
Jan 2020

It won't change his mind, but maybe it at the very least gets him to think about how there are voters out here who don't buy the GOP's b.s. excuses.

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
29. And Again why and how did he (Grassley) get into office again............his boots must have been
Thu Jan 2, 2020, 08:44 PM
Jan 2020

knee high in crap, when he wrote this with that shove he carries around....................what a jerk, same old talking points like the Russians FSB and GRU would put out.........................and Fix Noise ........................

bdamomma

(63,922 posts)
32. Great response
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 12:05 AM
Jan 2020

from you to Senator Grassley, there are many of us who are NOT ignorant to the truth and facts.

dlk

(11,576 posts)
35. It's beyond ironic that Grassley would decry the impeachment process
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 01:09 AM
Jan 2020

When Republicans actively thumbed their noses at multiple congressional subpoenas for testimony and documents. Apparently, the rule of law is only for the other guy.

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
37. Mabe remind the old coot there are over 400 bills sitting in an undisclosed drawer...
Fri Jan 3, 2020, 04:26 AM
Jan 2020

at Moscow Mitch's office that are awaiting the action of the Do Nothing Senate.

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