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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 03:23 PM Jan 2020

Joe Lieberman Sad Democrats Aren't Supporting Trump's Iran War

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/joe-lieberman-democrats-support-trump-iran-war.html

President Trump’s sudden, massive escalation of the military conflict with Iran has freaked out large segments of the national-security Establishment. But one person who is not worried at all is Joe Lieberman, once the Democrats’ vice-presidential candidate, currently a lobbyist for a Chinese telecommunications firm, and, as always, deeply concerned that “his” party is failing to line up behind the right wing of the Republican Party on a high-risk foreign-policy venture.

Lieberman’s argument, laid out in a Wall Street Journal op-ed today, will only come as a surprise to those laboring under the impression that his “thoughtful” manner implies actual thought. He begins by fretting that the parties disagree on Trump’s Iran strategy. “It’s understandable that the political class should have questions about it,” he concedes, “But it isn’t understandable that all the questions are being raised by Democrats and all the praise is coming from Republicans.”

In fact, it’s hardly true that “all the questions” about Trump’s policy are coming from Democrats — many members of Trump’s own administration have registered their intense dismay in the media at his policy, which has likely only gone through because Republican officials like James Mattis are no longer around to block it. Even if it was true, though, Lieberman doesn’t hold both parties equally responsible for disagreeing with each other. Instead, he proceeds immediately to blaming Democrats for failing to agree with Republicans:

After World War II, Sen. Arthur Vandenberg, a Michigan Republican who was chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, formed a bipartisan partnership with President Truman that helped secure the postwar peace and greatly strengthened America’s position in the Cold War. “Politics stops at the water’s edge,” said Vandenberg when asked why he worked so closely with a Democratic president. He added that his fellow Americans undoubtedly had “earnest, honest, even vehement” differences of opinion on foreign policy, but if “we can keep partisan politics out of foreign affairs, it is entirely obvious that we shall speak with infinitely greater authority abroad.”

In their uniformly skeptical or negative reactions to Soleimani’s death, Democrats are falling well below Vandenberg’s standard and, I fear, creating the risk that the U.S. will be seen as acting and speaking with less authority abroad at this important time.


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Joe Lieberman Sad Democrats Aren't Supporting Trump's Iran War (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 OP
Dear Joe, ARGO! MoonRiver Jan 2020 #1
Go away, Joe sakabatou Jan 2020 #2
He endorses Sanders. LakeArenal Jan 2020 #3
At least he is speaking the truth Sanity Claws Jan 2020 #4
Biggest mistake Al Gore ever made Downtown Hound Jan 2020 #5
McCain wanted to pick him as HIS running mate kskiska Jan 2020 #9
+1. dalton99a Jan 2020 #16
Even worse than Kerry's choice of John Edwards delisen Jan 2020 #29
FUCK YOU WARMONGER JOE!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #6
Buzz Off, Traitor Joe! nt smb Jan 2020 #7
Joe who???? /nt sdfernando Jan 2020 #8
Loserman budkin Jan 2020 #10
Working for Bibi? moondust Jan 2020 #11
As Lieberman always said, "Israel first" world wide wally Jan 2020 #12
He puts country before party, except the country is not America. madinmaryland Jan 2020 #23
He was voted funniest celebrity in DC for 1999 Buzz cook Jan 2020 #13
Then why won't he fake his own death? Crunchy Frog Jan 2020 #20
Snort. Good one! madinmaryland Jan 2020 #24
Caught his interview on Bloomberg Wellstone ruled Jan 2020 #14
Fuck that traitorous warmongering whore dalton99a Jan 2020 #15
Good article. And Fuck right off Joe JDC Jan 2020 #17
He sounds stupid. Caliman73 Jan 2020 #18
Like all Repukes, Joe is a master of false equivalencies. Crunchy Frog Jan 2020 #21
True, and like many/most Caliman73 Jan 2020 #22
Joe who? Crunchy Frog Jan 2020 #19
Joe Lieberman still alive, and relevant? not_the_one Jan 2020 #25
Well you got the alive part right anyway. OnDoutside Jan 2020 #28
Did our Congress declare war? No. delisen Jan 2020 #26
Fuck off Joe Lieberman Pachamama Jan 2020 #27
Is he still around? sprinkleeninow Jan 2020 #30
Screw Liver lips LIEberman nt doc03 Jan 2020 #31
Max Sad Joe Lieberman isn't Dead Yet maxrandb Jan 2020 #32

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
4. At least he is speaking the truth
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 03:27 PM
Jan 2020

Democrats are not supporting Trump's Iran War.
Only Congress can declare war.

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
9. McCain wanted to pick him as HIS running mate
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 03:57 PM
Jan 2020

but the party wouldn't let him. They forced him to choose Sarah Palin instead.

Buzz cook

(2,472 posts)
13. He was voted funniest celebrity in DC for 1999
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 05:10 PM
Jan 2020

Its a little known fact but true.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4670426/user-clip-joe-lieberman-1999-funniest-celebrity-dc-contest-trump-jokes-the-donald-ladies-man

If you take his subsequent career in the light of that fact, then you see that its all part of a brilliant comedy bit that has taken decades to unwind.

Joe is the Andy Kaufman of politics.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
14. Caught his interview on Bloomberg
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 06:03 PM
Jan 2020

this AM,spewing the same shit just another day.

All about Joe,I am the best since sliced white bread.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
18. He sounds stupid.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 06:30 PM
Jan 2020

Using the end of WWII as a comparison is ridiculous. In 1945, after FDR's death, the US and allies were still at war with both Germany and Japan. After the war, the occupation and re-building of both adversaries had to be determined, PLUS the Soviet Union, once an ally, was making its own plans for postwar Europe. There may have been disagreement, but the world had just gone through 6 years of devastating war and new world destroying weapons had been introduced. People were not going to undermine the peace or blunder into another war.

A more apt comparison but still, not a parallel, would have been how the parties lined up on Korea. The Republicans ran on Truman's handling of the war and Eisenhower's promise of peace. Partisanship certainly did not stop at the water's edge there.

Trump is incompetent. He has tried to bully his way through an exceedingly complex situation in the Middle East and it seems to be blowing up in his face. The US cannot afford to follow his whims into a conflict with greater potential for destruction than the disastrous Iraq War. Iran, which is no model for ethical activities either, is not a hollowed out state like Iraq was. It is backed by Russia and China, and Trump's stupidity has cost the support of our traditional allies.

The Democrats in opposing his stupid actions, are looking out for the best interests of the United States. Trump's very election cost the US any "authority abroad" that President Obama had recovered from the 8 years under Bush and Cheney.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
22. True, and like many/most
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 06:47 PM
Jan 2020

He has no idea about actual US history.

Either they all seem to live in the alternative reality that has been created by Fox and the right wing media, or they are so cynical that they can lie about it with a straight face.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
27. Fuck off Joe Lieberman
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:09 PM
Jan 2020

The only good thing that came out of Gore not becoming President is that Joe Lieberman never was Vice President.

He should just go away...

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