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applegrove

(118,696 posts)
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 06:39 PM Jan 2020

43% Support Trump's Order to Kill Soleimani

43% Support Trump’s Order to Kill Soleimani

January 6, 2020 at 2:54 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 197 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2020/01/06/43-support-trumps-order-to-kill-soleimani/

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A new HuffPost/YouGov survey found that 43% of voters said they supported President Trump’s order to kill Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani. Among that pool, 30% said they strongly approved of the decision.

Thirty-eight percent of voters said they disapproved of the military action.

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43% Support Trump's Order to Kill Soleimani (Original Post) applegrove Jan 2020 OP
I would say this is meaningless, guillaumeb Jan 2020 #1
or pt barnum about a sucker being born every minute...... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #5
It just happened and there are a lot of people who pay very little attention Flaleftist Jan 2020 #30
It's more depressing than his approval rating Amishman Jan 2020 #31
We've been trained to hate Iran since 1979... regnaD kciN Jan 2020 #44
Magical thinkers who think the real world is like an action movie. Thomas Hurt Jan 2020 #2
trump's base will stick with him, no matter what. Paladin Jan 2020 #3
43% would approve of Trump gunning down children on the streets of DC. THEY DON'T CARE sunonmars Jan 2020 #4
Expecially if they were Dems nt Ferrets are Cool Jan 2020 #21
they forgot to call me onethatcares Jan 2020 #6
I think this is a loser for us, as it stands right now. 19% are not sure whether they approve Hoyt Jan 2020 #7
Just wait until shit starts blowing up here... onecaliberal Jan 2020 #9
If that happens, trump will just blast away at Iran with what appears would be support Hoyt Jan 2020 #12
I hope it doesn't happen. But I'd bet money on a trump property. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #14
The jerk will just claim he has sacrificed so much for America. n/t Hoyt Jan 2020 #17
the fact that approval isn't at least 70% indicates Trump still has some PR work to do 0rganism Jan 2020 #22
Maybe, but poll indicates to me even a significant percentage of Democrats Hoyt Jan 2020 #24
fair enough, i do think it's another telltale Trump underperformance 0rganism Jan 2020 #25
No matter how many Americans support the assassination of Soleimani, it's stilll a war crime dlk Jan 2020 #8
Nope. Soleimani was killing civilians and US forces in Iraq. You do that and applegrove Jan 2020 #11
Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of civilians OliverQ Jan 2020 #13
Millions over the years. onecaliberal Jan 2020 #15
Yes. War is wrong. Iran and Iraq are not at war. They are allies. US is in Iraq at request of Iraqi applegrove Jan 2020 #18
LOL. Soleimani was in Iraq at the request of that same Iraqi government Downtown Hound Jan 2020 #38
A retaliatory assassination of a foreign government official is illegal dlk Jan 2020 #58
if illegal, it is an illegality with long precedent stopdiggin Jan 2020 #60
They should ask that question every month lunatica Jan 2020 #10
Ask the question fast gratuitous Jan 2020 #16
43% are idiots kwolf68 Jan 2020 #19
+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2020 #37
100% of those 43% had never heard of Soleimani IcyPeas Jan 2020 #20
Exactly. dchill Jan 2020 #29
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2020 #33
It's the same old 40% who would support him if he gutted a live puppy on national tv. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #23
And the vast majority of those people didn't even know who the fuck he was until 3 days ago Pachamama Jan 2020 #26
Look around here Bettie Jan 2020 #27
Saying what Trump did is not a war crime yet is not being supportive applegrove Jan 2020 #32
Bullshit Downtown Hound Jan 2020 #40
He was not at war but Soleimani did a campaign of roadside bombs in Iraq against americans troops applegrove Jan 2020 #42
Nope. Sorry. Downtown Hound Jan 2020 #43
Then bring him in to face crimes against the US, still no justification for violation of EO 11905 uponit7771 Jan 2020 #57
THIS !!!! Also EO 11905 defines that there should be no assassinations uponit7771 Jan 2020 #56
Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar did not call it a war crime. They said destroying applegrove Jan 2020 #59
There are several who argue that it was the right thing to do Bettie Jan 2020 #47
Well it is not a war crime but he is squandering the less radical islam, that applegrove Jan 2020 #53
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2020 #55
Bless their hearts! dchill Jan 2020 #28
Support for this is at the highest point it ever will be. More facts will lead to less support. tableturner Jan 2020 #34
Right around Trump's approval rating. Downtown Hound Jan 2020 #35
Wonder how many of that 43% are end timers? maryellen99 Jan 2020 #36
Since it's pretty much his approval rating Downtown Hound Jan 2020 #41
If Trump was a normal president approval would be much higher. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2020 #39
So 57% don't Rollerman Jan 2020 #45
Actually 38% don't Codeine Jan 2020 #52
43% would support him doc03 Jan 2020 #46
That 43% would support him if Bettie Jan 2020 #48
They would claim it was fake news nt doc03 Jan 2020 #50
Jerk ass Americans bdamomma Jan 2020 #49
That was his 5th ave moment lame54 Jan 2020 #51
That's a low number uponit7771 Jan 2020 #54

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. I would say this is meaningless,
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 06:42 PM
Jan 2020

but it is close to Trump's general approval rating.

What did Lincoln say about fooling some of the people all of the time?

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
5. or pt barnum about a sucker being born every minute......
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 06:49 PM
Jan 2020

So ~19% didn't have an opinion? That's just weird.

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
30. It just happened and there are a lot of people who pay very little attention
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:18 PM
Jan 2020

to current events and foreign affairs, people who rarely watch or read the news. I can believe 19% don't know what to think.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
31. It's more depressing than his approval rating
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:20 PM
Jan 2020

At least there a majority disapprove.

This was a plurality in support of his action.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
44. We've been trained to hate Iran since 1979...
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:50 PM
Jan 2020

Plus, note that this is approval for the assassination in a vacuum. Once further implications for the U.S. become clear, I think the undecided respondents will tip toward disapproving.

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
3. trump's base will stick with him, no matter what.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 06:44 PM
Jan 2020

I only wish it was them, their children or their grandchildren who would be exclusively tasked with the upcoming warfare. That's what they deserve.

sunonmars

(8,656 posts)
4. 43% would approve of Trump gunning down children on the streets of DC. THEY DON'T CARE
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 06:45 PM
Jan 2020

Seriously, these morons are so far gone, he can do anything and they'd believe it was someone else's fault or was divined by God.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. I think this is a loser for us, as it stands right now. 19% are not sure whether they approve
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 06:52 PM
Jan 2020

or disapprove. Only 38% disapproved (with 26% strongly disapproving).

Also, 71% think Iran is a serious threat to us (with 11% not sure). That's a lot of folks not trusting Iran.

It is a little early for a poll to reflect much on the airstrike, but I bet this pretty much blows over in a few days. Oil prices are almost back to where they were before airstrike.

I'd like to see us move back to impeachment, the 2020 election, etc. I don't support trump's action, but the vast majority of people don't seem upset by the airstrike.

I also hope this is a good reason to leave Iraq. As long as we have troops in the Middle East -- especially Iraq -- this junk is going to happen no matter who is Prez.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
12. If that happens, trump will just blast away at Iran with what appears would be support
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:00 PM
Jan 2020

from a lot of voters.

I hope to heck that doesn't happen. Personally, if we can have nukes, I see no reason for bombing other countries to keep them from getting the same.

0rganism

(23,957 posts)
22. the fact that approval isn't at least 70% indicates Trump still has some PR work to do
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:43 PM
Jan 2020

to poll under 50% approval for offing an alleged terrorist mastermind is surprising, that stuff is typically used as a show piece for our bloodthirsty population
at this point, all Iran would have to do to capitalize on the situation is... nothing.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
24. Maybe, but poll indicates to me even a significant percentage of Democrats
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:58 PM
Jan 2020

don’t see it as improper or just don’t care.

I don’t think Iran will do anything major. trump and hawks will, of course, blame Iran for anything that happens in next six months.

I still hope we leave Iraq.

0rganism

(23,957 posts)
25. fair enough, i do think it's another telltale Trump underperformance
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:09 PM
Jan 2020

the Trumpists have been openly hating on Iran for years. Trump has the military blow up a man Trumpists describe as a terrorist leader about to launch attacks against our people and interests around the world...

...and gets 43% approval for it.

over half of Americans won't support Trump when he kills a person he calls a terrorist. this strikes me as at least somewhat important, especially since he's only a couple neuron misfires away from declaring all Democrats to be traitors.

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
11. Nope. Soleimani was killing civilians and US forces in Iraq. You do that and
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 06:59 PM
Jan 2020

you may be legally taken out as a terrorist. I'm thinking it was bad and may lead to war but Soleimani was a state sponsored terrorist killing innocents.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
13. Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of civilians
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:03 PM
Jan 2020

we have killed in the Iraq and Afghanistan war?

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
18. Yes. War is wrong. Iran and Iraq are not at war. They are allies. US is in Iraq at request of Iraqi
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:08 PM
Jan 2020

Last edited Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:07 PM - Edit history (2)

government until yesterday. Iran attacking civilians and US troops in Iraq is state sponsored terrorism. Do not build soleimani up to be anything better than a terrorist. That being said tearing up the Iran deal and ratcheting up to war is misguided. Looks like Pompeo was the one whispering in Trump's ear and he's an evangelical who wants end times where you and i will burn in hell.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
38. LOL. Soleimani was in Iraq at the request of that same Iraqi government
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:32 PM
Jan 2020

We have no right to act unilaterally in their name when they did not ask us too. And what Iran is doing in Iraq is no different that what we've done all over the world for decades, if not centuries.

dlk

(11,569 posts)
58. A retaliatory assassination of a foreign government official is illegal
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 09:47 PM
Jan 2020

Granted Soleimani was a monster, however, we are not in a declared war with Iran (yet), and assassinating him for previous bad acts was illegal.

stopdiggin

(11,317 posts)
60. if illegal, it is an illegality with long precedent
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 04:07 AM
Jan 2020

(I do not disagree in principle. Just not sure if that designation means a great deal, given the practical history here.)

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
10. They should ask that question every month
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 06:58 PM
Jan 2020

I bet we’d see approval numbers tank. Some Americans are just dazzled by the thought of killing others, especially if they’re brown AND Muslim, but not so dazzled by our people getting killed.

These polls are stupid and predictable. It’s always the same. Idiots will be idiots no matter how often their idiocy slams them upside their idiotic heads.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
16. Ask the question fast
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:04 PM
Jan 2020

Want to get a good high number in support of Trump before too many details come along to spoil things for U! S! A! crowd.

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
19. 43% are idiots
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 07:35 PM
Jan 2020

This was a completely unprovoked, unconstitutional act of war. Period. The same lies and BS will accompany this war that accompanies the last war (and the one we still wage). We are "taxed enough already", can't provide higher education, quality infrastructure and health care to our people, but by goddamnit we never avoid a war and by the time the corporate media and probably a few Democratic sellouts get done, we'll be playing the anthem and waving flags. Wash/Rinse/Repeat. This is all being lead by the most incompetent of men, a real piece of vermin. What's that make us?

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
26. And the vast majority of those people didn't even know who the fuck he was until 3 days ago
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:10 PM
Jan 2020

Sick - the culture of death.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
40. Bullshit
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:37 PM
Jan 2020

Assassination of a foreign national is illegal under both international and U.S. law. The U.S. would have to be at war with Iran for this to be considered legal, and we are not. We were at war with Al Qaeda after 9-11, that was different. Congress authorized military action. And actually we were at war with them even before that, because they very specifically declared war against us in an official declaration.

No state of war exists with Iran. This was straight up murder. Call it a war crime or call it a crime. It was illegal under both international and U.S. law. Oh, and it was really fucking stupid too.

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
42. He was not at war but Soleimani did a campaign of roadside bombs in Iraq against americans troops
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:44 PM
Jan 2020

and civilians to get the US to leave Iraq to them. Terrorism. Soleimani was a state sponsored terrorist. I agree it was stupid to kill him. Also stupid to rip up the anti nuke agreement John Kerry negotiated. Radical islam was becoming less popular after ISIS. Bet this revs it up again. This was bad.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
43. Nope. Sorry.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:47 PM
Jan 2020

Supporting a local population resisting an illegal foreign invasion is not terrorism. By that rationale, the American support of Afghanistan in its resistance to the Soviet Union, or Tibetan exiles against China, or God knows how many other times we have done this, could also be considered terrorism. And that means other countries would have a right to kill our military generals.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
47. There are several who argue that it was the right thing to do
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 09:08 PM
Jan 2020

that is being supportive of him.

It wasn't the right thing to do, but some are really eager for war, even around here.

applegrove

(118,696 posts)
53. Well it is not a war crime but he is squandering the less radical islam, that
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 09:22 PM
Jan 2020

was the dividend of beating something as evil as ISIS,with all of the Trump Iranian policy including killing Soleimani.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
35. Right around Trump's approval rating.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:27 PM
Jan 2020

In other words, no surprise there. Those idiots would eat shit if Trump told them too.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
39. If Trump was a normal president approval would be much higher.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 08:33 PM
Jan 2020

Everything he does is rightfully viewed with suspicion. As for myself I'm taking a wait and see approach and trying to judge the action as if It was done by a president I don't loathe.

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