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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEvery Pa. county will have new voting machines -- with paper trails -- in 2020
With Dauphin Countys decision this week to end its standoff with the state and buy new voting machines, all 67 Pennsylvania counties met the year-end deadline to comply with a state order that they implement election systems capable of leaving a paper trail of votes that can be manually audited and recounted.
Experts say this is a major step for election security ahead of the November presidential election, ensuring ballots can be accurately tallied even in the face of a cyber attack or a mishap.
The shift from paperless [electronic] machines to having individual paper ballots is a sea change, said Christopher R. Deluzio, policy director of the University of Pittsburgh Institute for Cyber Law, Policy, and Security. Its great, its huge, it was necessary.
As recently as 2018, most voters in Pennsylvania used paperless machines that recorded votes in electronic memory. In addition to concerns that computers can be hacked, electronic systems can fail and wipe out all records of votes cast.
https://www.inquirer.com/politics/pennsylvania/pa-new-voting-machines-for-2020-with-paper-trails-20200101.html
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)However, it appears that it is still electronic voting, except that (it) spits out a paper receipt.
If that is the case how do we become suspicious enough of the electronic vote tally to request a manual recount? Maybe manual recounts should be mandatory?
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Demsrule86
(68,607 posts)was stolen in 16.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)Trump was very popular here, especially in the rural precincts. From seeing the enthusiasm on the ground, I thought he was going to win our county. The results by precinct are available online.
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)Every election they do an audit, randomly picking a handful of precincts and doing a handcount of thd ballots that are generated and comparing to the electronic returns. I am not sure it has to be an exact match, in order to get an official recount according to state law there has to be like a 3% difference to mandate a full recount.
Not sure what other counties do.
hunter
(38,321 posts)... only slightly better than purely electronic ballots.
lostnfound
(16,186 posts)Hand counted paper ballots are cheaper anyway
Yet no problem coming up with money for this
badhair77
(4,218 posts)In some areas there were scanner problems that held up the line. In addition, the absentee ballot options have become looser. Now I can just apply for the AB without a dr signature saying I cannot go to the polling place. Thats a real benefit for those who cant wait in line because of physical or time constraints.
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)Looks great!!!
PADemD
(4,482 posts)A malfunction in new voting machines forced a ballot recount in Northampton County.
Election officials worked overnight after Tuesday's election to re-scan paper ballots. The state had advised the county to recount paper ballots instead of using the machines' counts.
Northampton County Executive Lamont McClure and representatives from ES&S, the company that makes the voting machines, have scheduled a news conference for Wednesday afternoon to address the issues.
They'll discuss the results and the performance of the new voting machines in the 1 p.m. news conference in council chambers, according to a news release from the county executive's office.
https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/lehighvalley/northampton-county-executive-voting-machine-reps-to-hold-news-conference/article_9cbe7e26-004b-11ea-9e74-2b3a98e56312.html
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)That's why we need a blue tsunami.
CottonBear
(21,596 posts)The UK and many other countries have hand counted paper ballots.
Edit: No computer scanning is part of the process.
ZZenith
(4,125 posts)Unless your aim was to rig elections, the idea is completely absurd on its face.
lostnfound
(16,186 posts)I trust Jennifer Cohn
Some of these machines ask voter do you want to review or submit. If you dont ask to review it, it doesnt print until you leave the voting booth.
Some machines have ability to make up votes as a test.
We need hand marked, hand counted, fully transparent process.