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redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 07:53 AM Jan 2020

Talking about how bad Soleimani was at this point does nothing but enable Trump.

Every Democrat who starts a sentence with "Soleimani was a bad guy, but..." has already handed Trump a political victory.

What people hear is "something something Democrats are butthurt they weren't asked for permission". It feeds right into Trump's alpha-male shtick.

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Talking about how bad Soleimani was at this point does nothing but enable Trump. (Original Post) redgreenandblue Jan 2020 OP
They have to. mia Jan 2020 #1
They could side with the law national and international n/t malaise Jan 2020 #2
And THIS is how democrats marginalize themselves Cosmocat Jan 2020 #7
+1 Bettie Jan 2020 #9
Yes. Public figures start with he was a terrorist, THEN proceed Hortensis Jan 2020 #8
Uh ... NanceGreggs Jan 2020 #3
Just like Iraq RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #4
Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #5
If Trump did go to congress to seek an AUMF Jake Stern Jan 2020 #6

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
7. And THIS is how democrats marginalize themselves
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:28 AM
Jan 2020

We are NEVER going to be able to fight republicans when there literally is no norm they won't stampede while democrats have to be ever so careful not to do something that might negatively reflect on them.

The story, and REALITY, is that this moment now culminates the push by republicans to get us into the Iraq War, which is now one of the greatest disasters this country has chosen to embark on, which is THE reason any of this occurs now, and that this POTUS decision to pull the US out of the Iran Treaty directly set the events that just unfolded into motion - republicans CREATED this man, americans died at his hand BECAUSE OF REPUBLICANS.

And now this POTUS has broken a "rule" that even the Iranians have not broken by assassinating one of their highest level officials, as a result made us infinitely less safe, resulted in our being kicked out of Iraq and Iran completely walking away from the Iran Treaty, making the entire world less safe.

There is an ENDLESS list of variables to this that in fact indict republicans, we don't have to cede their main rationale for doing it ...

This is how THEY DRIVE THE NARRATIVE.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Yes. Public figures start with he was a terrorist, THEN proceed
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:38 AM
Jan 2020

to explain why the past 20 years of leaders in this and every other nation Suleimani attacked did not have him assassinated.

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Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
6. If Trump did go to congress to seek an AUMF
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 08:18 AM
Jan 2020

I truthfully believe they'd give it to him. They might hem and haw but he'd get it. Dodging that "soft on terror" label is a powerful incentive to vote yea.

Then years later they'll claim, when confronted on their vote, that "I just wanted to bring Iran to the negotiating table. Didn't think he'd actually use it to go to war!"


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