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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBreaking NOT news: Collins and Murkowski will vote with McTurtle on witnesses
Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski have said they will vote for going ahead with the impeachment trial without the Senate calling witnesses, thus freeing Bolton from his statement that he will testify if subpoenaed by the Senate.
It wouldnt surprise me at this point to hear that the statements of Bolton, Collins and Murkowski were all coordinated as to timing and content.
Lochloosa
(16,066 posts)Lochloosa
(16,066 posts)Stay safe with the ground shaking.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)BKDem
(1,733 posts)The constant disappointment must be soul-crushing. If only there were something she could do!
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)DownriverDem
(6,229 posts)can subpoena Bolton if need be.
mitch96
(13,914 posts)Bettie
(16,111 posts)promises that will never, ever happen.
peacefreak2.0
(1,023 posts)over Susies head. Funding is on the block and it would certainly decimate the economy of Midcoast Maine if pulled.
mucifer
(23,555 posts)DownriverDem
(6,229 posts)Bolton came forward then?
mucifer
(23,555 posts)Blue_playwright
(1,568 posts)Theres a book coming out.
DFW
(54,414 posts)Bluff called
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)have it both ways....if he refuses, get him before the courts....he hasn't a leg to stand on after that tweet.
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I did hope for better from Murkowski after Kavanaugh.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)they each received for their campaigns? With the gop. it is ALWAYS about $$$ or rubles.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)whatever it takes to do it.
They all like their jobs way too much for our wellbeing. We need to remove some of the things that make them way too happy and add some that make them afraid to cross us. Like making going to prison far less rare and travel more rare. Keep them at their desks. And I'm in the mood to add outlawing upholstery in their offices and chambers to that list.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Imagine a major political party whose leaders have to fear the plethora of nutcases in their base. If youre a Republican whos not foursquare for Trump, youre in for special treatment from the new Brownshirts.
I have a feeling this is why so many not-fully-on-board-with-45 Republicans (like Corker, Flake, etc.) have retired. Apparently theyre not too keen on getting death threats in the middle of the night.
Authoritarian regimes have no room for dissent, even on a micro-level. Its either absolute fealty, or Trump calls you out by name at his next red-meat rally. And after that...no guarantees.
Ohioboy
(3,243 posts)The GOP has worked hard to create that type of non- thinking base.
badhair77
(4,218 posts)Im really hoping Collins is defeated this fall. She needs to take her concern elsewhere.
Roy Rolling
(6,921 posts)I guess they used their 15 minutes of attention on this issue, time to move on to supporting Trump. The female voices of reason trotted out by the GOP have performed their role in the tragedy.
2naSalit
(86,664 posts)Javaman
(62,531 posts)collins and murkowski: the spineless jelly fish of the senate.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Collins is going to get a lot of RW money supporting her, but if people like Lindsey Graham, Cindy-Hyde Smith and Mitch McConnell have their own tough races, then the RW moneybags might not have as much money to spend in Maine.
Sara Gideon seems like a strong candidate for the Democrats - Maine Speaker of the House
https://saragideon.com/
DFW
(54,414 posts)Collins must go.
the Senate needs a cleaning out. Especially those who are choking on all their illegal money.
Just gave donation every bit helps.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)MurrayDelph
(5,299 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,013 posts)Amaryllis
(9,525 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,631 posts)I have not seen any reports about this, only the concerns, but not the capitulation.
DFW
(54,414 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)than the house hearing's soliloquies and witnesses. Just soliloquies? And our side saying something like, "and then Fiona Hill said this?"
DFW
(54,414 posts)Our house managers would be reduced to repeating what we all already know. The Republican Senators will yawn (probably flagrantly and on camera), vote the articles down, McTurtle will hold a Q&A session in front of the TV cameras about the Democrats wasting the Senate's time and Trump will tweet his gloating from now until November.
....which is why Pelosi is in no hurry to let them.
getagrip_already
(14,768 posts)Moscow could pass a vote that would limit the house to only reading the articles as written. Then they would spend days arguing conspiracy theory, or what gym rat and the cow decide to spew forth.
Oh, and they will likely subpoena the bidens. "We called witnesses".
dalton99a
(81,534 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Water is still wet.
Hence the title of the OP
Now open new hearings in the House on more articles.
Why not?
aeromanKC
(3,325 posts)The people want a fair trial with witnesses, not a sham. trial.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)The GOP counts on voters having short memories. It's been a good bet recently.
Baitball Blogger
(46,745 posts)mountain grammy
(26,630 posts)Well be working in Colorado to end Cory Gardners career.
ooky
(8,924 posts)Don't send the articles of impeachment over to the Senate for a sham trial. Just let Dick Tater stay impeached until we elect a real president.
The_Counsel
(1,660 posts)Acquitted, re-elected, whatever...the impeached label sticks. Forever. Not even death will wipe that stain away...
Firestorm49
(4,035 posts)If anybody thought that they could rely on Murkowski or Collins, or Bolton for that matter, I want some of what youre smoking.
We watch the talk shows and hear the encouraging babble about these three and actually think that theres a chance that they will develop common sense overnight. Rubbish! Theyre Republicans.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Let's see how their tune is after they don't have to worry about being primaried by their batshit base.
triron
(22,007 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)press statement in his face when he refuses to show. Then Dems should endlessly ridicule him to the point just his name evokes laughter.
Afromania
(2,769 posts)Then I got angry because of the tease.
Now I just laugh at how oblivious they are to just how pathetic their feigned concern attempts come off.
DFW
(54,414 posts)Even Charlie Brown wouldn't race to kick their football any more.