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Stuart G

(38,436 posts)
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 12:45 PM Jan 2020

Trump is much too stupid to know who he is dealing with.

The preparations that Iranians made in 1988 to revenge the accidental shoot down of an Iranian airplane were incredible. Iranian planners figured out about how many would be flying on a Pan American flight, (about the same as were killed in the first shoot down) and carried out the revenge. While Trump's shoot down might have been impulsive, the Iranian response won't be. Response will be as well planned as can be. The exact opposite of how Trump decides things.

Here is a post, (at this link) devoted to that response in 1988:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016245240

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Trump is much too stupid to know who he is dealing with. (Original Post) Stuart G Jan 2020 OP
Murican patriots go with their gut. that is true leadership Thomas Hurt Jan 2020 #1
It was the Libyans/offshoots of the PLO that were responsible for the Pan-am/Lockerbie bombing TheRealNorth Jan 2020 #2
And they will go to extraordinary lengths when attacked dalton99a Jan 2020 #3
How do you fight that kind of crazy? louis-t Jan 2020 #4
Iranians understand vendetta Arthur_Frain Jan 2020 #5
Sourcing Concern marked50 Jan 2020 #6
Haven't your heard? Trump is the smartest president ever. Binkie The Clown Jan 2020 #7
I just heard on Randi Rhodes bdamomma Jan 2020 #8

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
1. Murican patriots go with their gut. that is true leadership
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 01:15 PM
Jan 2020

Conservatives love authoritarian Big Daddy punishing the bad guys for revenge.

The world is an action film.

TheRealNorth

(9,481 posts)
2. It was the Libyans/offshoots of the PLO that were responsible for the Pan-am/Lockerbie bombing
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 01:16 PM
Jan 2020

I feel like there is a push to sow disinformation to make Iran responsible for 9/11 and terrorist attacks that they were not.

Just like 2002/03.

dalton99a

(81,531 posts)
3. And they will go to extraordinary lengths when attacked
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 01:19 PM
Jan 2020
How Iran cleared mines in the Iran-Iraq War

HEIR TICKET TO PARADISE IS the blood-red headband and the small metal key that they wear into battle. ''Sar Allah,'' (''Warriors of God''), some of the headbands read in Farsi script, identifying the wearers as divinely designated martyrs who will use their keys to go directly to heaven if killed in the holy war against Iraq declared by their leader, the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. The headbands and the keys are worn by young boys, aged 12 to 17, who are recruited by local clergy or simply rounded up in the villages of Iran, given an intensive indoctrination in the Shiite tradition of martyrdom, and then sent weaponless into battle against Iraqi armor. Often bound together in groups of 20 by ropes to prevent the fainthearted from deserting, they hurl themselves on barbed wire or march into Iraqi mine fields in the face of withering machine-gun fire to clear the way for Iranian tanks. Across the back of their khaki-colored shirts is stenciled the slogan: ''I have the special permission of the Imam to enter heaven.''

In dozens of interviews conducted by this reporter in recent weeks with Iranian exiles, academics and government and intelligence officials in the United States and Europe, the blind faith of these teen-age martyrs was frequently cited as symbolic of the fanaticism that is part of life today in the Islamic Republic of Iran. An East European journalist who witnessed one of these human-wave assaults, in which tens of thousands of young Iranians have gone willingly to their deaths, could hardly believe what he was seeing, as first one boy, and then another, detonated a mine and was hurled into the air by the explosion. ''We have so few tanks,'' an Iranian officer explained to the journalist, without apology.

https://www.nytimes.com/1984/02/12/magazine/iran-five-years-of-fanaticism.html





marked50

(1,366 posts)
6. Sourcing Concern
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 02:15 PM
Jan 2020

The link in the original post gives the details of the USS Vincennes shootdown of the Iranian Civilian airliner Flight 655 and the loss of 290 people, but the added text does not elaborate on a statement from Abolghassem Mesbahi, a co-founder of the Iranian intelligence service, that attributes the Pan Am Flight 103 destruction over Lockerbie to Iran.

The word of caution here is that the USS Vincennes link is of what is a questionable website just looking at all the "conspiracy" posts I see. There should be no dispute about what the USS Vincennes did however.

An on-line search shows such commentary by this man in regards to Iran and Lockerbie.

And a search about Abolghassem Mesbahi also reveals a time when he retracted his testimony in a attributing blame for the killing of Iranian dissidents in Berlin back in 1997.

The official story of the Pan Am loss is attributed to Libya and of course that may be questionable.

The addition of the Captain Rogers mini-van incident in the replies gives some context to the potential of Iranian retaliation.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
7. Haven't your heard? Trump is the smartest president ever.
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 03:06 PM
Jan 2020

And possibly the smartest human in the history of the human race. He's got all the best words, too.

bdamomma

(63,893 posts)
8. I just heard on Randi Rhodes
Tue Jan 7, 2020, 03:19 PM
Jan 2020

radio show from yesterday, an interview with some host on a radio show (I didn't get his name). He was asking tRump about Suleimani and did not know who he was, the host said the Leader of Quds force, tRump thought he said Kurds, what a fucking stupid POS he is.

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