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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRepublicans meeting behind closed doors this morning to count heads...
If they have 51 votes, and it now appears that they may have their caucus in line, they are ready to vote on the rules for the trial, without any Democratic Party input.
Once they make their announcement, perhaps this afternoon, Nancy Pelosi will name the House Managers. She will likely not commit to a definite date to turn over the Articles?
The Republican plan is to hear the case as presented by the Managers, and then vote on whether or not to call any witnesses. They will attempt to shut down the trial at that point. That is their plan.
Johnny2X2X
(19,074 posts)They'll kill this. Trump killing the Iranian General worked because it persuaded a couple Senators not to oppose him. Sickening.
kentuck
(111,106 posts)and will vote for witnesses after the Republicans have completed their whitewash and cover-up for Mr Trump.
Regardless of how they vote, Donald Trump has been impeached.
We do not know Pelosi's strategy going forward? Will she continue to hold the Articles for a few days more?
PRETZEL
(3,245 posts)but not weeks.
As much as the rules were always going to be against the Dems, I think Speaker Pelosi understood that and has already game planned for this scenario.
slater71
(1,153 posts)bdamomma
(63,893 posts)bastard, this is not going to sit well with those of us who are paying attention.
Damn them the party of tRump.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)He's using that power to do the job they elected him to.
Not everyone agrees he's the worst thing to happen to congress since the Civil War. Sanders' wife even tweeted to all on election day that it didn't matter who they voted for, just vote. The choices were Trump/Republicans or us.
And we know what that collective wisdom has wrought.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)PRETZEL
(3,245 posts)now the question will become how much time will be allotted for each side to argue their case. I kind of remember hearing or reading that during the Clinton Impeachment, 15 hours we allotted. Not sure though.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)i.e. say that they will hold on sending the impeachment to the Senate because "Wait, there's more!"?
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)she does not have a guarantee of witnesses up front.
kentuck
(111,106 posts)But it will be interesting to see what the Speaker does next if this happens.
PRETZEL
(3,245 posts)personally, I'm not totally sure any motion to acquit after the opening arguments will pass. I still think that some of the at risk Republicans don't want to go into a re-election campaign with this hanging over their head.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)They need at least the appearance of a fair trial. Schumer plans to request witnesses and documents. The Rs will have to vote each request down seperately.
Yesterday on her show, Nicolle Wallace said she was looking a very recent polling and "impeach and remove" was now at 56%. IIRC, she also said hearing from witnesses has 71% approval - that must include a good chunk of Rs.
PRETZEL
(3,245 posts)the only way for McConnell to give any semblence of fairness is to have the opening arguments, vote for dismissal (and I apologize for saying acquital earlier, meant to say dismissal) then go from there.
He has to count on the fact that the incumbants (including himself) will be able to withstand the backlash.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)dismiss the charges. McConnell will lose his majority - the ONLY thing he really cares about - if he does that.
PRETZEL
(3,245 posts)passing a rule that doesn't allow for argument - total lack of any appearance of fairness
passing a rule that allows for limited argument - gives the appearance of fairness at the risk of evidence showing the impeachable offenses
passing a rule that allows for witnesses - guarantee of impeachable offenses being committed by the President.
Mr.Bill
(24,305 posts)They are grifting a fortune from her being Secretary of Transportation. Her family is in the shipping business.
DFW
(54,414 posts)They can say, "oh yeah? Watch me do just that!"
They can dismiss everything, call zero witnesses, say, "what's done is done, nobody cares except libbruls anyhow," and act like nothing ever happened. Fox and Frauds will act like nothing ever happened. Trump will say he's been exonerated because he was never removed from office, and except for MSNBC, the whole thing will become a media non-event.
Don't think Moscow Mitch won't do it? He doesn't care about any appearances at all. Just ask Merrick Garland.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,631 posts)My understanding is that she wont send the articles and name the managers unless the rules are fair.
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)show trial so turning up only gives it legitimacy.
spanone
(135,851 posts)fuck the republicans...
kentuck
(111,106 posts)Then Democrats can get serious about taking back the Senate and defeating a few of these fake Republican allies.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)slater71
(1,153 posts)totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)he is willing to testify in front of the Senate knowing that McConnell and friends won't call him to testify, so it's easy for him to say that. Bolton is in on it too. They are all a bunch of rat bastards.
bucolic_frolic
(43,206 posts)Never a doubt! Dangling the game in front of us for weeks is their sadistic pleasure.
SeattleVet
(5,477 posts)those pointy white hoods really make a person stand out.
Raster
(20,998 posts)Not one of them deserves re-election and all part of the problem.
NOTHING will ever get better in this country until the GOP* is gone.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)take six years to accomplish it, but we need to start in 2020.
Raster
(20,998 posts)... A GOP*-free government begins with one vote.
kentuck
(111,106 posts)...America would be a much better country without Republicans. That's only my opinion.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)kentuck
(111,106 posts)a kennedy
(29,680 posts)live with themselves.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)What more can anyone ask for?
bdamomma
(63,893 posts)the party of tRump must go. And if I hear one of bastards mention they have to get on to the Peoples' business I will do this
Then more tax cuts will come for the rich. Or never mind there's a war on the horizon.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)congress was recessed, new evidence against Trump-Ukraine has come out, a court decision results in Bolton declaring himself able and willing to testify, and Trump has committed war crimes, is possibly starting a war, and is promising more war crimes.
What would be the political advantage to the Democratic Party of not giving him more time to make it increasingly blatantly revelatory -- before all America -- for the Republicans to protect him?
I don't know what Pelosi and team know, but I won't be surprised if they wait (noting they can't stop Trump's actions as president) while they tighten what rope they have around the senate's neck.
Fwiw, yesterday Republican senator Hawley introduced a resolution requiring us to provide the articles within 25 days. He had 10 cosigners when I read about it. Of course, the only one who matters these days is McConnell.
Lonestarblue
(10,024 posts)John Bolton will not be subpoenaed by the Senate. He needs to tell the public what he knows now. And where is General Mattis after this assassination? He, too, should be willing to come forward and share what he knows about Trumps craziness. When good people do nothing, theyre enabling the bad guys, and Trump is one of the worst. How can you be patriotic and watch someone destroy your democratic form of government as Trump and Republicans are doing? I honestly think that Republicans have latched onto Trump because theyve lost some gerrymandering cases and he is a way to fulfill Karl Roves dream of a permanent Republican government with Democrats always a minority party. Theyll be cheating as never before this November and with the help of Putins hackers, they may keep Trump going another fouror moreyears, because we wont have a federal government left by then.
coti
(4,612 posts)Do NOT send the articles into this corruption, for any reason.
bdamomma
(63,893 posts)is Putin's must be elated that he is taking down the American government down through his puppet.
There's going to be protests coming. Many of us will not go down without a fight.
Harker
(14,027 posts)or souls. They wouldn't need both hands for that.
bucolic_frolic
(43,206 posts)Public opinion will move further against them, and patriots will work 10 times harder. By Election Day 2020, 2018 will look like a squeaker.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Watch out Wednesday, incoming.