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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @AOC The people who tell you we DO have war money but DON'T have healthcare (Original Post) BeckyDem Jan 2020 OP
Would like to see big cuts to military budget, but it wouldn't come close Hoyt Jan 2020 #1
Yep, we have to start somewhere. BeckyDem Jan 2020 #2
It'll come from the opposite place the trillion dollar tax cuts come from. Tiggeroshii Jan 2020 #5
Military spending compared to other spending in the US lunatica Jan 2020 #11
Not sure where you got that graph, but we spend over $1.2 Trillion for Medicare and Medicaid. Hoyt Jan 2020 #17
Killing the GOP tax scam is another. John Fante Jan 2020 #31
move them into green tech scarytomcat Jan 2020 #24
She is right on! Ohiogal Jan 2020 #3
AS USUAL!! THAT'S WHY AOC IS A SUPERSTAR AND PEOPLE LOVE HER!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #13
It's also why reactionaries and authoritarians hate her. Nature Man Jan 2020 #36
Yup... a "badge of honor," as they say. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #37
The money is to enrich the already rich malaise Jan 2020 #25
Yup! Drum Jan 2020 #4
She's right Bettie Jan 2020 #6
She's absolutely right. wendyb-NC Jan 2020 #7
Spot on. We carry repuke water when we fret about affordability of basic human needs Doremus Jan 2020 #8
she is bernie bashing again nt msongs Jan 2020 #9
Wait. What? MontanaMama Jan 2020 #10
I think someone might claim he's complicit for voting for military budgets. David__77 Jan 2020 #12
Will she address the F-35's in Vermont? sheshe2 Jan 2020 #14
I don't know for a fact one way or the other. My guess is she is aware of his policy actions, BeckyDem Jan 2020 #18
That is why I said they were "nuclear capable". sheshe2 Jan 2020 #21
Current F-35 models with their current computer system, including the ones scheduled for Burlington, BeckyDem Jan 2020 #22
Thank you for the link. lapucelle Jan 2020 #32
My pleasure. BeckyDem Jan 2020 #34
Link free tweet ... marble falls Jan 2020 #15
When you click on the interior of the box, it brings you to AOC's twitter page. BeckyDem Jan 2020 #19
Thats what I do when I want read her feed. When I want to share one of her comments ... marble falls Jan 2020 #20
Cool! BeckyDem Jan 2020 #23
Recommended democrank Jan 2020 #16
The war profiteers deliberately award war contracts in every Congressional District guillaumeb Jan 2020 #26
It's a horrible cycle. BeckyDem Jan 2020 #27
And it is one that the US corporate media ignores. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #30
If she keeps this up she'll never get a six figure speaking gig on Wall St.after she leaves office. jalan48 Jan 2020 #28
lol +1 BeckyDem Jan 2020 #29
That's why I like her so much duforsure Jan 2020 #33
Quite right. BeckyDem Jan 2020 #35
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. Would like to see big cuts to military budget, but it wouldn't come close
Fri Jan 10, 2020, 11:29 PM
Jan 2020

to covering all that stuff. 50% or substantially more wouldn’t upset me. Although, a lot of our best jobs are military related.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
5. It'll come from the opposite place the trillion dollar tax cuts come from.
Fri Jan 10, 2020, 11:59 PM
Jan 2020

...which came from the bottom 99% of people.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
17. Not sure where you got that graph, but we spend over $1.2 Trillion for Medicare and Medicaid.
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 10:50 AM
Jan 2020

That's the Federal portion (vs. $700 Billion for military). Another $2.5 Trillion is spent by employers and consumers.

Point is, if we eliminated a big chunk of military -- which I'm for -- it still won't come close to funding Medicare-for-All, childcare, free college, reducing deficit and debt, etc. Taxes will have to go up.

But, cutting military budget is a start.

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
24. move them into green tech
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 12:47 PM
Jan 2020

we need a department of peace, they should use military money to fund it because it saves money in the long run
It is time to stand down

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,123 posts)
13. AS USUAL!! THAT'S WHY AOC IS A SUPERSTAR AND PEOPLE LOVE HER!!
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 01:24 AM
Jan 2020

AOC will be President one day... count on it!!

malaise

(269,196 posts)
25. The money is to enrich the already rich
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 12:48 PM
Jan 2020

War is profitable - securing the ordinary citizen's healthcare does nothing for the 'national interest' which clearly is about doing what benefits the oligarchs.

Across the globe the system is broken 0 corrupted by money and special interests.
Of course she's right.

Bettie

(16,129 posts)
6. She's right
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 12:04 AM
Jan 2020

over half of our budget is military spending, but we have "no money" for anything that benefits humans.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
8. Spot on. We carry repuke water when we fret about affordability of basic human needs
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 12:13 AM
Jan 2020

like health care, etc.

Did they voice one scintilla of worry before they decided to cut themselves a 3 trillion tax cut check? Of course not, and that was only one of many.

Why do we continue to swallow their BS??? We are smarter than that! So frustrating!

David__77

(23,540 posts)
12. I think someone might claim he's complicit for voting for military budgets.
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 01:22 AM
Jan 2020

I understand that one could have the position that one should not vote for a budget one doesn’t fully support.

sheshe2

(83,934 posts)
14. Will she address the F-35's in Vermont?
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 01:45 AM
Jan 2020

They are replacing the F-16.

The F-35s are nuclear capable.

These are war machines that are housed in Vermont. She readily supports the Senator from VT. Any concerns????

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
18. I don't know for a fact one way or the other. My guess is she is aware of his policy actions,
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 12:35 PM
Jan 2020

federal and state.

FYI:

Activist says F-35s bound for Burlington have a nuclear mission. They don’t.

By Colin Meyn on Wednesday, April 10th, 2019 at 10:22 p.m.

Our Ruling

Siegel formulated her statement in a way that is confusing at best, but certainly misleading. It leads readers to believe that the bombers coming to Vermont will be equipped to carry nuclear bombs. That is false.

However, it’s true that the Department of Defense intends to use F-35s to deliver its nuclear arsenal if needed. And there’s good reason to believe that the bombers in Burlington could someday be given a nuclear mission.

We rate this claim mostly false.
https://www.politifact.com/vermont/statements/2019/apr/11/rachel-siegel/activist-says-f-35s-bound-burlington-have-nuclear-/

Why Bernie Sanders is backing a $1.5 trillion military boondoggle
Published Tue, Jul 12 20169:32 AM EDTUpdated Tue, Jul 12 20169:52 AM EDT
Daniel Bukszpan, special to CNBC.com

“Our fear is that if it didn’t have a mission in Vermont, instead of 1,100 jobs, we’d probably only have 100 jobs,” Richards said. “We believe the investment of this aircraft ensures it will be here for years to come. We really think this is a tremendous opportunity for the country and for the state of Vermont.”

Be that as it may, the F-35?s path to deployment has been a long and arduous one. It’s also been an expensive one.

The F-35B, one of three variants of the jet, was declared operational in July 2015 by the U.S. Marine Corps, 14 years after Lockheed Martin first won the contract and at a final cost of $134 million per plane, according to The Wall Street Journal. According to Vanity Fair, the Department of Defense had originally said the jet would be “combat-capable” by 2010, a prediction that was off by five years.

Oh, and let’s not forget the $55 billion spent on research, development, testing and evaluation; $319 billion spent on procurement; $5 billion spent on military construction and $1.1 trillion in operating and support costs, according to the F-35 Lightning II Program Fact Sheet’s Selected Acquisition Report 2015 Cost Data. Altogether, that gives this program a price tag of $1.5 trillion, making it by far the most expensive program in military weapons history.

The F-35 has also encountered numerous technical problems, and they’re not small ones. According to The Air Force Times, the plane has experienced “catastrophic engine failure,” and according to The Washington Post, it experienced “life-threatening” ejection-seat malfunctions in October 2015, three months after the U.S. Marine Corps declared the B variant operational.

CNBC.com reached out to Sanders for comment, and his office responded with a link to a statement on the senator’s official website about the stationing of the F-35A at Burlington International Airport in mid-2019. However, at a 2014 town hall meeting in New Hampshire, Sanders was asked about his continued support for the program, and he said that it’s not the plane that he supports but the jobs and revenue that it brings to his state.

“In the real world, if the plane is built … and if the choice is if that goes to Vermont … South Carolina or Florida, what is your choice as a United States Senator?” he asked. “Do you want it to go to South Carolina? ... My view is that given the reality of the damn plane, I’d rather it come to Vermont than to South Carolina. And that’s what the Vermont National Guard wants, and that means hundreds of jobs in my city. That’s it.”

While this statement doesn’t offer much in the way of insight into Sanders’ feelings about the military industrial complex, it does say one thing quite explicitly — the F-35 is a boon to Vermont’s economy, despite its checkered history of high costs and delays. Richards said that in his experience, those things come with the territory when it comes to any piece of high-velocity hardware, and if the end result is a safer product, he’s fine with that.

“This is typical for a government-funded new aircraft,” he said. “It typically takes longer. But I would prefer that they take the time to get it right. I’m not in a rush to see it make a deadline. The finish line is safety.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/12/why-bernie-sanders-is-backing-a-15-trillion-military-boondoggle.html


Bernie Sanders’s Support for F-35 Jets in Vermont Angers Some Backers
Proposal would boost regional economy, proponents say, but progressives argue it is inconsistent with his views
By Eliza Collins
Aug. 20, 2019 10:17 am ET
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-sanderss-support-for-f-35-jets-in-vermont-angers-some-supporters-11566310652

lapucelle

(18,351 posts)
32. Thank you for the link.
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 01:26 PM
Jan 2020

From the article cited:

Current F-35 models with their current computer system, including the ones scheduled for Burlington, do not yet have the nuclear capability. Pentagon officials estimate that the F-35 could be armed with the B61-12 nuclear bomb as early as 2020. Once this occurs all new models of the F-35 will be nuclear capable; and previously produced F 35’s, including Vermont’s, will be upgraded with the same nuclear capability.

Because the military is not required to release information about military capabilities and missions, it is highly unlikely that Vermonters will be told when “our” F-35s become nuclear capable. Therefore Vermonters will likely never know … just as Vermonters were never told the last time the Vermont Air National Guard was assigned a nuclear mission.

snip==================================================================================

Even though the F-16s had nuclear wiring, they were never declared part of our strategic nuclear triad, as the F-35 is now. Thus the F-16 posed no strategic nuclear threat to Russia or China, and Vermont was never a nuclear target.

However, the F-35 is now part of our nuclear triad, it will carry a “usable” nuclear bomb, it’s been discussed officially as being a first strike nuclear weapon, and the Vermont Air National Guard is the first operational Guard base for the F-35. There are two huge implications for Vermont from these facts.

First, the Vermont Air Guard’s F-35s will immediately become a huge threat to our enemies and Vermont will become a nuclear target. It’s important to clarify that in nuclear targeting, it is the delivery vehicles and their bases which are targeted, not the warheads. So, it’s the bombers and the bomb bases which are the targets not the bombs.

And, second — in our name — the Vermont Air National Guard could be assigned by the president to drop a nuclear weapon on another country. The F-35 will carry two nuclear bombs, each bomb has a maximum yield of 50 kilotons. The nuclear bomb we dropped on Hiroshima was “only” 15 kilotons. It killed 146,000 people — about 90,000 died on the first day, and 56,000 people died over the next 4-6 months.

snip=================================================================================

If Vermont’s F-35s are assigned a nuclear mission, then the beginning of a nuclear war could start from Vermont. However, if Vermonters say “no” to basing nuclear bombers in Vermont, then the beginning of the end of nuclear weapons could start from Vermont.


https://vtdigger.org/2019/04/23/rosanne-greco-f-35-nuclear-capability/

marble falls

(57,309 posts)
15. Link free tweet ...
Sat Jan 11, 2020, 01:48 AM
Jan 2020

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
?Verified account @AOC

The people who tell you we DO have war money but DON’T have healthcare money, tuition-free money, infrastructure money, or Green New Deal money are playing games with you.
6:45 AM - 10 Jan 2020

33,642 Retweets
157,077 Likes

marble falls

(57,309 posts)
20. Thats what I do when I want read her feed. When I want to share one of her comments ...
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 12:40 PM
Jan 2020

I post it in the OP so no one has to jump between screens.

See? We just traded tips!

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
26. The war profiteers deliberately award war contracts in every Congressional District
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 12:58 PM
Jan 2020

in the US to pressure lawmakers to support the immense war budget.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
30. And it is one that the US corporate media ignores.
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 01:11 PM
Jan 2020

But when the media is owned by the same people who profit from war, this is to be expected.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
33. That's why I like her so much
Sun Jan 12, 2020, 03:14 PM
Jan 2020

She speaks truth to power, and why they hate her so much, it exposes how corrupt they really are.

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