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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)to covering all that stuff. 50% or substantially more wouldnt upset me. Although, a lot of our best jobs are military related.
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)...which came from the bottom 99% of people.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)That's the Federal portion (vs. $700 Billion for military). Another $2.5 Trillion is spent by employers and consumers.
Point is, if we eliminated a big chunk of military -- which I'm for -- it still won't come close to funding Medicare-for-All, childcare, free college, reducing deficit and debt, etc. Taxes will have to go up.
But, cutting military budget is a start.
John Fante
(3,479 posts)scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)we need a department of peace, they should use military money to fund it because it saves money in the long run
It is time to stand down
Ohiogal
(32,102 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)AOC will be President one day... count on it!!
Nature Man
(869 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)malaise
(269,196 posts)War is profitable - securing the ordinary citizen's healthcare does nothing for the 'national interest' which clearly is about doing what benefits the oligarchs.
Across the globe the system is broken 0 corrupted by money and special interests.
Of course she's right.
Kickin' and a-reccin'
Bettie
(16,129 posts)over half of our budget is military spending, but we have "no money" for anything that benefits humans.
wendyb-NC
(3,330 posts)Doremus
(7,261 posts)like health care, etc.
Did they voice one scintilla of worry before they decided to cut themselves a 3 trillion tax cut check? Of course not, and that was only one of many.
Why do we continue to swallow their BS??? We are smarter than that! So frustrating!
msongs
(67,453 posts)MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)Didnt she endorse Bernie?
David__77
(23,540 posts)I understand that one could have the position that one should not vote for a budget one doesnt fully support.
sheshe2
(83,934 posts)They are replacing the F-16.
The F-35s are nuclear capable.
These are war machines that are housed in Vermont. She readily supports the Senator from VT. Any concerns????
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)federal and state.
FYI:
Activist says F-35s bound for Burlington have a nuclear mission. They dont.
By Colin Meyn on Wednesday, April 10th, 2019 at 10:22 p.m.
Our Ruling
Siegel formulated her statement in a way that is confusing at best, but certainly misleading. It leads readers to believe that the bombers coming to Vermont will be equipped to carry nuclear bombs. That is false.
However, its true that the Department of Defense intends to use F-35s to deliver its nuclear arsenal if needed. And theres good reason to believe that the bombers in Burlington could someday be given a nuclear mission.
We rate this claim mostly false.
https://www.politifact.com/vermont/statements/2019/apr/11/rachel-siegel/activist-says-f-35s-bound-burlington-have-nuclear-/
Why Bernie Sanders is backing a $1.5 trillion military boondoggle
Published Tue, Jul 12 20169:32 AM EDTUpdated Tue, Jul 12 20169:52 AM EDT
Daniel Bukszpan, special to CNBC.com
Our fear is that if it didnt have a mission in Vermont, instead of 1,100 jobs, wed probably only have 100 jobs, Richards said. We believe the investment of this aircraft ensures it will be here for years to come. We really think this is a tremendous opportunity for the country and for the state of Vermont.
Be that as it may, the F-35?s path to deployment has been a long and arduous one. Its also been an expensive one.
The F-35B, one of three variants of the jet, was declared operational in July 2015 by the U.S. Marine Corps, 14 years after Lockheed Martin first won the contract and at a final cost of $134 million per plane, according to The Wall Street Journal. According to Vanity Fair, the Department of Defense had originally said the jet would be combat-capable by 2010, a prediction that was off by five years.
Oh, and lets not forget the $55 billion spent on research, development, testing and evaluation; $319 billion spent on procurement; $5 billion spent on military construction and $1.1 trillion in operating and support costs, according to the F-35 Lightning II Program Fact Sheets Selected Acquisition Report 2015 Cost Data. Altogether, that gives this program a price tag of $1.5 trillion, making it by far the most expensive program in military weapons history.
The F-35 has also encountered numerous technical problems, and theyre not small ones. According to The Air Force Times, the plane has experienced catastrophic engine failure, and according to The Washington Post, it experienced life-threatening ejection-seat malfunctions in October 2015, three months after the U.S. Marine Corps declared the B variant operational.
CNBC.com reached out to Sanders for comment, and his office responded with a link to a statement on the senators official website about the stationing of the F-35A at Burlington International Airport in mid-2019. However, at a 2014 town hall meeting in New Hampshire, Sanders was asked about his continued support for the program, and he said that its not the plane that he supports but the jobs and revenue that it brings to his state.
In the real world, if the plane is built
and if the choice is if that goes to Vermont
South Carolina or Florida, what is your choice as a United States Senator? he asked. Do you want it to go to South Carolina? ... My view is that given the reality of the damn plane, Id rather it come to Vermont than to South Carolina. And thats what the Vermont National Guard wants, and that means hundreds of jobs in my city. Thats it.
While this statement doesnt offer much in the way of insight into Sanders feelings about the military industrial complex, it does say one thing quite explicitly the F-35 is a boon to Vermonts economy, despite its checkered history of high costs and delays. Richards said that in his experience, those things come with the territory when it comes to any piece of high-velocity hardware, and if the end result is a safer product, hes fine with that.
This is typical for a government-funded new aircraft, he said. It typically takes longer. But I would prefer that they take the time to get it right. Im not in a rush to see it make a deadline. The finish line is safety.
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/12/why-bernie-sanders-is-backing-a-15-trillion-military-boondoggle.html
Bernie Sanderss Support for F-35 Jets in Vermont Angers Some Backers
Proposal would boost regional economy, proponents say, but progressives argue it is inconsistent with his views
By Eliza Collins
Aug. 20, 2019 10:17 am ET
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-sanderss-support-for-f-35-jets-in-vermont-angers-some-supporters-11566310652
sheshe2
(83,934 posts)I did not say they were armed.
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)do not yet have the nuclear capability.
https://vtdigger.org/2019/04/23/rosanne-greco-f-35-nuclear-capability/
lapucelle
(18,351 posts)From the article cited:
Because the military is not required to release information about military capabilities and missions, it is highly unlikely that Vermonters will be told when our F-35s become nuclear capable. Therefore Vermonters will likely never know just as Vermonters were never told the last time the Vermont Air National Guard was assigned a nuclear mission.
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However, the F-35 is now part of our nuclear triad, it will carry a usable nuclear bomb, its been discussed officially as being a first strike nuclear weapon, and the Vermont Air National Guard is the first operational Guard base for the F-35. There are two huge implications for Vermont from these facts.
First, the Vermont Air Guards F-35s will immediately become a huge threat to our enemies and Vermont will become a nuclear target. Its important to clarify that in nuclear targeting, it is the delivery vehicles and their bases which are targeted, not the warheads. So, its the bombers and the bomb bases which are the targets not the bombs.
And, second in our name the Vermont Air National Guard could be assigned by the president to drop a nuclear weapon on another country. The F-35 will carry two nuclear bombs, each bomb has a maximum yield of 50 kilotons. The nuclear bomb we dropped on Hiroshima was only 15 kilotons. It killed 146,000 people about 90,000 died on the first day, and 56,000 people died over the next 4-6 months.
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https://vtdigger.org/2019/04/23/rosanne-greco-f-35-nuclear-capability/
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)marble falls
(57,309 posts)Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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The people who tell you we DO have war money but DONT have healthcare money, tuition-free money, infrastructure money, or Green New Deal money are playing games with you.
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BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)marble falls
(57,309 posts)I post it in the OP so no one has to jump between screens.
See? We just traded tips!
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)Thank you.
democrank
(11,112 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)in the US to pressure lawmakers to support the immense war budget.
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But when the media is owned by the same people who profit from war, this is to be expected.
jalan48
(13,894 posts)Never is right.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)She speaks truth to power, and why they hate her so much, it exposes how corrupt they really are.