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Natasha Bertrand ✔ @NatashaBertrand
Um holy sh*t. This certainly makes it sound like Parnas and co. were actively tracking Yovanovitch's movements. This could explain why Yovanovitch was moved out of Ukraine so quickly.
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20200114_-_hpsci_transmittal_letter_to_hjc_-_new_evidence_attachment.pdf
5:42 PM - Jan 14, 2020
This stands out:
WTF were they planning???
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Page 35.
Text:
Rudy: Where are you Guys.
Lev: Going to Vienna.
Rudy: Wow.
Page 36.
Text:
Lev. Trying to get us Mr. Z
OMGWTF
(3,972 posts)riversedge
(70,269 posts)Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Hav
(5,969 posts)"If you want her out, they need to make contact with security forces"
"Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money"
Someday, they may make a movie about all of this that could be terrifyingly close to The Godfather subject-wise. I think the insinuations here are pretty clear.
Johnny2X2X
(19,095 posts)Trump ordered her killed! This is what happened. My god.
Leghorn21
(13,526 posts)holy fucking hell on earth
HATS OFF TO THE WHISTLEBLOWER
Johnny2X2X
(19,095 posts)A US President hiring goons to take out an ambassador.
calimary
(81,402 posts)What else would shes going to be going through some things mean???
KSNY
(315 posts)OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Sounds like they were plotting to have Yovanovitch killed.
Trump needs to be removed from office immediately. As in, dragged out by Secret Service and locked in handcuffs. This crap cannot continue to be overlooked. Impeachment is not sufficient.
spanone
(135,857 posts)trump knows he's untouchable.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)he is not the boss, he is just a puppet who has also been threatened by Putin, he will slip and fall.
kentuck
(111,106 posts)You are right. The corruption is deep and wide.
KSNY
(315 posts)even if it means President Pence for a while
spanone
(135,857 posts)Leghorn21
(13,526 posts)MARIA YOVANOVICH
THANK YOU
RESPECT
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Link to tweet
Kyle Griffin ✔ @kylegriffin1
"In March 2019, Mr. Parnas communicated by text message with Robert F. Hyde ... Hyde then sent a series of text messages suggesting that he had Ambassador Yovanovitch under physical surveillance in Kyiv and that 'They are willing to help if we/you would like a price.'"
Kyle Griffin ✔ @kylegriffin1
NEW: The House Intelligence, Oversight and Foreign Affairs Committees have transmitted additional evidence to be used as part of the Senate impeachment trial. The evidence provided includes phone records, as well as new docs and materials from Lev Parnas. https://bit.ly/2FNeI8U
6:15 PM - Jan 14, 2020
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Takket
(21,601 posts)Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Not quite sure yet.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)(bloody EU privacy laws means many US news sites now refuse to show articles to the EU ...)
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)WHAT. THE. FUCK???
Jezus.
blm
(113,081 posts)They are ruthless when they want someone out of the way.
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)blogslut
(38,007 posts)Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Link to tweet
Bianna Golodryga ✔ @biannagolodryga
Reminder that Yovanovitch testified that UKRAINIAN officials warned her that Guiliani and other associates had plans, and that they were going to, you know, do things, including to me.
6:33 PM - Jan 14, 2020
Johnny2X2X
(19,095 posts)This is what is being described here. A pure mafia hit. We are dealing with a murderous monster.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,800 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)But..could see why he'd kill off Epstein. But why didn't he just fire her earlier?
Vinca
(50,300 posts)Once I re-read them to her, even my mother came to that conclusion.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Link to tweet
Ben Collins ✔ @oneunderscore__
Yovanovitch's testimony from November 15th:
"She said, 'I don't know, but this is about your security. You need to come home immediately.
'You need to come home on the next plane.'
And I said, 'Physical security? I mean, is there something going on here in the Ukraine?'"Chris Hayes ✔ @chrislhayes
There's an exchange here between Parnas and Robert Hyde starting on page 19, in which Harvey appears to be representing himself as having someone following Yavonovitch and how his guys in Ukraine "Are willing to help if we/you would like a price."
Ben Collins ✔ @oneunderscore__
Here's the whole exchange:
6:00 PM - Jan 14, 2020
chowder66
(9,074 posts)exchange?
Amaryllis
(9,525 posts)chowder66
(9,074 posts)snip
"At one point in April, Yovanovitch said she received a call from Carol Perez, a top foreign service official, at around 1 a.m. Ukraine time, abruptly telling her she needed to immediately fly back to Washington. Yovanovitch said when she asked why, Perez told her, "I don't know, but this is about your security. You need to come home immediately. You need to come home on the next plane."
https://www.sltrib.com/news/nation-world/2019/11/04/former-us-envoy-marie/
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Link to tweet
Natasha Bertrand ✔ @NatashaBertrand
FlashbackShes going to go through some things, Trump said of Yovanovitch during his call with Zelensky. H/t @amandacarpenter for remembering that comment
6:46 PM - Jan 14, 2020
backtoblue
(11,344 posts)And she was speaking at an event for a young lady killed by an acid attack when she got the urgent message to leave.
Just, holy crap. Absolutely terrifying and I hope she was given advanced notice before this went public.
Dennis Donovan
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Bradley P. Moss ✔ @BradMossEsq
The more I look over these texts, I am seriously worried they were planning to murder an American diplomat.
Bradley P. Moss ✔ @BradMossEsq
Who is Robert F. Hyde and why was he surveilling a US ambassador?
6:48 PM - Jan 14, 2020
backtoblue
(11,344 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)The Hartford Courant: https://www.courant.com/politics/hc-pol-who-is-robert-hyde-20200114-pkrvqm2q3ngwtcrjywut4s7fzq-story.html
All I can see is from the memeorandum link to it:
"Intelligence Committee documents? Robert Hyde, a Republican candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives in Connecticut, surfaced in House Intelligence Committee documents released Tuesday. The documents, released on the eve of the House vote
"
backtoblue
(11,344 posts)Conn. candidate who deleted sexist tweet about Kamala Harris owes child support but gives big to Trump and GOP
By Daniela Altimari, The Hartford Courant 12/19/2019
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)...
A photo of Hyde on Parnas phone matches that of the Connecticut-based Republican running for U.S. House, and Parnas attorney, Joseph A. Bondy, confirmed to The Daily Beast that is indeed the same Hyde. Up until this point, Hyde was best-known for an offensive tweet about Sen. Kamala Harris that drew widespread condemnation.
Reached for comment on the text messages by The Daily Beast on Tuesday night, Hyde texted, Bull Schiff is a giant b*tch.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/parnas-associate-tracked-ousted-ambassadors-movements-in-kyiv-docs
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)backtoblue
(11,344 posts)Stand up guy....
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Robert F. Hyde, a Republican candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives in Connecticut, surfaced in House Intelligence Committee documents released Tuesday.
The documents, released on the eve of the House vote on the articles of impeachment, contained a series of messages between Lev Parnas about former Ukrainian Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch. Parnas is a Soviet-born associate of Rudy Giuliani who acted as a conduit in the campaign to pressure Ukrainian officials to investigate Hunter Biden.
In the messages to Parnas, Hyde apparently wrote, "Wow. Cant believe Trumo [sic] hasnt fired this bitch, referring to Yovanovitch.
Who is Robert F. Hyde?
Hyde is 40 and a resident of Simsbury and a Republican who is running for Congress in Connecticuts 5th District. He is a relative unknown who hopes to unseat Rep. Jahana Hayes, a Democrat. He could not be reached for comment Tuesday night.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)Robert is a post-9/11 war veteran who enlisted while attending CCSU because of duty and service to country. After serving eight years in the United States Marine Corps and serving in the Iraqi theater as a security detail during the peak of the fight, Robert then left the service but never left his commitment and established a small business headquartered in Avon, CT. The small business didnt stay small long and quickly grew to over 100 employees as a full-service construction firm (fun fact: Robert F. Hydes firm helped build the Farmington, CT, home of Curtis James Jackson III, otherwise known as 50 Cent; some say Mr. Hyde has cross-over appeal).
https://hydeforcongress.com/about/
Contacts made with mercenaries during his "security detail" days?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,347 posts)I can find a Republican called that, running for congress, who owes child support: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/conn-candidate-who-deleted-sexist-tweet-about-kamala-harris-owes-child-support-but-gives-big-to-trump-and-gop/ar-BBYaX6L
but he runs a construction firm in Connecticut.
(though he did his best to smear Adam Schiff: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/coordinated-pro-trump-facebook-pages , and tried to name the whistleblower)
(his bio says that he was in the armed forces before, and ran a security detail ...)
mercuryblues
(14,537 posts)lunasun
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Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)One part of the Ukraine story that's never *quite* made sense to me is the air of menace direct at Amb. Yovanovitch that's always kind of unspecified and never spelled out. Obviously getting fired because you stood in the way of a political hit job sucks, but it's more than that.
Trump famously says of Yovanovitch on the call "she's gonna go through some stuff," but I've never understood what he was implying. Professional sanction? Termination from the State Department?
And then Yovanovitch herself says that Ukrainians were telling her that her security was at risk. Not just that, when she gets recalled by State, she's told that for security reasons she has to get the very next plane back to DC.
But I honestly never understood why.
I have no idea what to make of the validity of the new text messages shared by House Intel. Maybe it's just people talking tough and bs'ing.
BUT!
the texts do appear to suggest that Yovanovitch's every movement was being monitored by an associate of Parnas. That her computer(!) and phone (!) were being surveilled. That there was some consideration of maybe...kidnapping her? It's really hard to tell.
But the whole thing feels extremely menacing and threatening and maybe sheds some light on why Yovanovitch herself experienced this period as full of menace and threats.
Also, it's REALLY hard for me to understand why Parnas' own lawyers shared these texts if they show what they appear to show.
7:02 PM - Jan 14, 2020
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renate
(13,776 posts)HOW CRAZY IS IT THAT THIS QUESTION CAN EVEN ARISE IN RELATION TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?
I'm sorry for yelling, but this is SO UNREAL.
Leghorn21
(13,526 posts)@RepDougCollins, for their review. Call the witnesses. Hear the testimony.
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NO PRISONERS
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)This goes deeper than any of us can even imagine..
riversedge
(70,269 posts)Bill Kristol
@BillKristol
The removal of Yovanovitch was always a sign this was a real conspiracy in pursuit of an illicit end, not a case of mere haphazard, fitfully-expressed wishes of Trump. Yovanovitch stood in the way of effectuating the conspiracy. And she was removed at the direction of Trump.
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Lee-Lee
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Looks like some thugs were planning on "permanently" removing her.
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#BeBetterAmerica
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Its like they were planning a hit on her. They were tracking her, using surveillance & trying to find someone inside the embassy to give intelligence on her movements. These guys are mobsters. No wonder she was freaked when Trump tweeted she was going to go thru some things!
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)I guess we should believe IMPotus Trump when he says he knew about planned attacks on US Embassies....because he was planning them....
madaboutharry
(40,216 posts)The way I read it, Ms. Yovanovitch was told to get out on the next plane because there were others who got wind of this and feared for her life.
XRubicon
(2,212 posts)Dennis Donovan
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Natasha Bertrand ✔ @NatashaBertrand
More on Yovanovitch in this exchange between Parnas and Lutsenko. Shes not getting away, Parnas texted.
7:11 PM - Jan 14, 2020
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)ck4829
(35,079 posts)Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)dhill926
(16,351 posts)must have slipped by me.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)...except it was 12 billion that went missing in Iraq back in 2004.
dhill926
(16,351 posts)wasn't that when what's his name was in charge. The pallets of cash? I cannot keep up with all this shit...
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,618 posts)He had both reporters on too (Bertrand and Woodruff) who have posted text exchanges today amd are in this thread. Woodruff said Hyde texted her tonight and didn't deny what he wrote or regret what he did.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)close to this ? Eeegads. Republican heads would have exploded.
BigmanPigman
(51,618 posts)earlier in their offices that Rachel read it in solitude while Chris started to run from his office, down the hall to Rachel's staff and was yelling, "Can you believe this? Is this for real?". I can picture what the various Dems and GOP were doing when they heard this news.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)Thank goodness for YouTube and WaPo and others.
BigmanPigman
(51,618 posts)Last edited Tue Jan 14, 2020, 11:31 PM - Edit history (1)
I read DU when I get up in the AM to read the latest news since I know it will be here and won't have BS lies and alternative facts.
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)I was picturing Chris Hayes actually running down the hall to Rachel's office . . . OMG is this for real ?!?!?!
And now, I'm wondering -- how is that fucking moron in the WH going to try to spin this one ???
Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall of the offices of Pelosi/Schumer/Biden/etc right now ?
BigmanPigman
(51,618 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Duppers
(28,125 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,731 posts)Duppers
(28,125 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,731 posts)Hekate
(90,766 posts)bagimin
(1,334 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Discussing her whereabouts and security detail. Theres so much in the documents released tonight.
We the people need answers.
dalton99a
(81,564 posts)Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Hopefully not anywhere Barr can touch him.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)tblue37
(65,458 posts)Bonx
(2,065 posts)I'm not sure I understand everything, but let's get this going.
Demsrule86
(68,632 posts)Bayard
(22,121 posts)Now, sounds more like--she's going to go IN some things. Like concrete.
Okay. What will it take to get these documents introduced in the impeachment trial?
Duppers
(28,125 posts)THAT's exactly what needs to happen.
Bet all our Democratic lawmakers know about this by now - D.C. must've been buzzing this evening.
They MUST find a way because we know the DOJ will not be investigating.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)📣🚨House revealed it has slate of new evidence collected since the impeachment vote-will use in Senate.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212870421
Duppers
(28,125 posts)"The former ambassadors calls come after the House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs and Oversight and Reform committees released additional evidence to be submitted to the Senate for the impeachment trial.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212871385
Captain Zero
(6,821 posts)is a favorite for Putin and his guys.
burrowowl
(17,642 posts)NCLefty
(3,678 posts)That's made up, but it might as well not be. :p
Someone replied this: "Hoist on his own dotard."
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Everyone needs to see this.
crickets
(25,981 posts)is the shock before outrage hits. There are people in DC who have known about this for months on end and said nothing, if not rallied to push against any clue that the rot runs this deep.
I am just so grateful Marie Yovanovitch made it home in one piece.
blakstoneranger
(333 posts)No wonder trump is keeping people from testifying. Folks, we have a lying sack of shi*t---DIRTBAG in the whitehouse.
volstork
(5,403 posts)HOLY SHIT.
magicarpet
(14,160 posts)... the cashier will arrange for the ambassador to be bumped off and that will make those problems go away.
Come hell or high water,... trDump will get his second term.