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BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 05:11 PM Jan 2020

I used to be a libertarian. Then the US healthcare system taught me how wrong I was

I needed a CT scan on my neck — and I opened the door to a Kafka-esque nightmare

Adam Weinstein
New York
2 days ago

The task seemed easy enough. “I want a CT scan of your neck,” the specialist told me. After months of tonsillitis, sore throats, and unnerving fatigue, I’d grown edgy about the hard lump on my neck — enough to make an appointment with him in December, before my health insurance had even kicked in. He’d looked down my gullet, but held off on running any tests, telling me to come back in January when it wouldn’t cost me so much. A month later, he now agreed, it was time for some advanced imagery of the mass, just to be sure.

This shouldn’t be hard. The insurance policy I’d gotten — for $557 a month, on the Healthcare.gov exchange, since I worked remotely for my employer as a contractor, sans benefits — covered the hospital across the street, operated by my specialist’s healthcare group; I could walk over, get the scan, and he could access the imagery instantly.

But of course, as hundreds of millions of Americans know, nothing in our privately managed healthcare

system is that easy. The radiologist across the street considered me a “hospital outpatient,” so my insurance treated the office as an out-of-plan provider, which would cost me thousands upfront. The radiologist, however, did offer me a cash “self-pay” rate of $300 for the procedure.

“Wait a minute,” I said. “How come self-pay is so much cheaper than if I use my insurance?”

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/us-healthcare-medicare-for-all-ct-scan-cost-libertarian-socialist-a9297721.html

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I used to be a libertarian. Then the US healthcare system taught me how wrong I was (Original Post) BeckyDem Jan 2020 OP
Good article genxlib Jan 2020 #1
Yep. BeckyDem Jan 2020 #2
yep...pretty spot on... sdfernando Jan 2020 #3
There was an old joke when I was young: a conservative is a liberal who got mugged... First Speaker Jan 2020 #4
ha ha +1 BeckyDem Jan 2020 #5
Imagine believing that private corporations have your best interests at heart. VOX Jan 2020 #6
There are some things that a market system can manage. Caliman73 Jan 2020 #7
Well said. PandoraAwakened Jan 2020 #8
Definitely Caliman73 Jan 2020 #9

genxlib

(5,532 posts)
1. Good article
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 05:39 PM
Jan 2020

But in a British paper.

Where it does us little good and the British can just marvel at what we will put up with.

I have very good insurance by any standards and it still is a soul sucking experience to have to use it. I consider myself lucky but not happy about it.

sdfernando

(4,941 posts)
3. yep...pretty spot on...
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 07:10 PM
Jan 2020

..and now with BREXIT, the Brits can look forward to having the same experience soon enough.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
4. There was an old joke when I was young: a conservative is a liberal who got mugged...
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 07:12 PM
Jan 2020

...well, today, a liberal is a conservative who gets sick...

VOX

(22,976 posts)
6. Imagine believing that private corporations have your best interests at heart.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 07:39 PM
Jan 2020

That, in a nutshell, is the idiotic idea that’s central to libertarianism.

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
7. There are some things that a market system can manage.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 07:58 PM
Jan 2020

Clothing, cars, ice cream, etc... Obviously with regulations to keep us safe from safety hazards from cutting corner which many vendors do to be profitable.

There are things the should NEVER be at the mercy of a capitalist market system and Healthcare is one of them. Incarceration, drinking water, electricity, sanitation, police, fire, and military are others.

Profit maybe a motive that can generate some innovation, and competition may lead to efficiency, but the reality is that it often leads to trying to evade safety standards, liabilities like higher wages for workers, and other problems.

We have to balance pro-social and self interest.

PandoraAwakened

(905 posts)
8. Well said.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:35 PM
Jan 2020

While I agree with the topics you named that should never be left to the mercy of a capitalist market system, as you also pointed out: Regulation of products that could present safety hazards is also essential. This includes anything that can be ingested, such as ice cream (hence, the FDA).

This also includes cars, which are unique in the safety hazards presented not only in their inherent usage, but also in tremendous damage to the environment. As our own history has shown, regulation of the car industry re: inherent safety standards has been fairly effective. Whereas, much more lax regulation of the car industry in terms of environmental damage proves the point of what ends up happening when capitalist concerns are allowed to dictate the terms.

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
9. Definitely
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 12:57 PM
Jan 2020

I could have gone on for paragraphs about the government's role in regulating the economy. I went simplistic basically because I didn't have time to do more.

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