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malaise

(269,157 posts)
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 05:55 PM Jan 2020

Question for DUs Constitutional Experts

How come the Con and his goons were able to prevent Congress from accessing documents but courts ordered said documents to be released to persons using Freedom of Information laws.

How was he able to defy Congress but not persons with less Constitutional power?

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Question for DUs Constitutional Experts (Original Post) malaise Jan 2020 OP
I'm not a constitutional expert. But I think the issue here... Skinner Jan 2020 #1
Agree. TruckFump Jan 2020 #2
IIRC, that was their reasoning Hekate Jan 2020 #3
Thanks but why would it have taken longer for Congress malaise Jan 2020 #5
Trump would launch major defense, appeal any orders, etc. They are letting some FOI's go through. Shrike47 Jan 2020 #8
Well give thanks for the FOI malaise Jan 2020 #9
Did Congress seek the same documents as the FOIA requests? onenote Jan 2020 #4
Some were released after the Con was impeached malaise Jan 2020 #6
There's a tendency... jberryhill Jan 2020 #10
I'll split the hair differently. Igel Jan 2020 #11
Are there MORE documents out there? bluestarone Jan 2020 #7

Skinner

(63,645 posts)
1. I'm not a constitutional expert. But I think the issue here...
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 06:02 PM
Jan 2020

...is that Congress never went to the courts in order to enforce their subpoenas. So the president's refusal to hand over documents was never tested in court.

Had Congress gone to court to enforce their subpoenas, there is a very good chance that they would ultimately have been successful. But the process would have taken a long time (possibly well past the election), which is why Congress chose not to go that route.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
5. Thanks but why would it have taken longer for Congress
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 06:15 PM
Jan 2020

than for those using 'freedom of information'?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
10. There's a tendency...
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 06:50 PM
Jan 2020

...to confuse what we might have access to and what Congress has access to.

I doubt that any of the FOIA'd documents are ones which were withheld from Congress.

Igel

(35,350 posts)
11. I'll split the hair differently.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 06:57 PM
Jan 2020

I suspect that the documents received under FOIA were likely withheld from Congress because the subpoenas were broad enough to include both the FOIA-released dox and a lot of other records. To partially comply would be to recognize the legitimacy of the subpoena and weak the case for non-compliance.

There's also going to be a bit of knee-jerkism. The FOIA requests started a while back and typically involve lower-level folk. The House demands were rejected at the highest levels. Consider it a way of producing a legal leak.

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