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Ari Melber saying not enough to impeach. What a dildo. (Original Post) LiberalFighter Jan 2020 OP
What? I can't imagine him saying that. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #1
Yep. He said it. MontanaMama Jan 2020 #14
I saw him take the stance he thought senators would use, in order 2 get the constitutional rebuttal ancianita Jan 2020 #19
He's already impeached. Caliman73 Jan 2020 #2
Yeah and the comment by the poster doesn't make any sense rockfordfile Jan 2020 #8
He has lost me, especially on Fridays. BigmanPigman Jan 2020 #3
Same here, I switch to CNN when he comes on XRubicon Jan 2020 #4
Yep! A waste of time. LiberalFighter Jan 2020 #18
I love his Fridays because he's getting more black viewers. Culture is one route to politics. ancianita Jan 2020 #20
I used to really like him. dewsgirl Jan 2020 #21
I did too. BigmanPigman Jan 2020 #22
Yeah, that was my last straw CanisCrocinus Jan 2020 #5
To be fair, he is speaking solely on "obstruction of Congress," not the abuse of power. He's using Hoyt Jan 2020 #6
He's wrong. Caliman73 Jan 2020 #16
What the hell was that all about? flamingdem Jan 2020 #7
On the obstruction count. And he gave the space for the four others to prove him wrong. pnwmom Jan 2020 #9
Panel all had the WTF look Watchfoxheadexplodes Jan 2020 #10
NO. He's saying on the obstruction charge he thinks there may not be enough to hlthe2b Jan 2020 #11
That isn't actually what he said. madaboutharry Jan 2020 #12
Not what he said. elleng Jan 2020 #13
K&R, the letter of "don't cooperate" is enough to convict for OOC uponit7771 Jan 2020 #15
Every lawyer on the panel disagreed, and McCaskill smashed him with constitutional logic. ancianita Jan 2020 #17
He.Obstructed. EVERYTHING. spanone Jan 2020 #23
The congress power to issue subpoenas does NOT come through the Judiciary branch. mackdaddy Jan 2020 #24
There you go. They should do this. LiberalFighter Jan 2020 #31
I thought it was an interesting argument. I guess we can still have those. Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2020 #25
I can't listen to Tweety bdamomma Jan 2020 #26
Hey, a dildo is useful. RandySF Jan 2020 #27
Ha-ha Sewa Jan 2020 #29
Another useless attention whore dalton99a Jan 2020 #28
Well he is a lawyer and you do argue the other side - that is what he was doing. He knows this UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #30

MontanaMama

(23,316 posts)
14. Yep. He said it.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:17 PM
Jan 2020

He said theDems hadn’t proven their case on obstruction of Congress. FWIW, I think he’s just showing off. Claire McCaskill told she loved him but he was flat WRONG.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
19. I saw him take the stance he thought senators would use, in order 2 get the constitutional rebuttal
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:26 PM
Jan 2020

that he got.

I don't think he was being obtuse, but offering a devil's advocate argument in the guise of sincerity.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
2. He's already impeached.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:12 PM
Jan 2020

And YES there was more than enough to warrant conviction and removal if we had any GOP Senators with integrity.

Go quote some more rap songs Melber, seems to be what you are good for these days.

BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
3. He has lost me, especially on Fridays.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:12 PM
Jan 2020

I can't take his constant musical references. A few were tolerable at first, now it is just annoying (and I like musuc).

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. To be fair, he is speaking solely on "obstruction of Congress," not the abuse of power. He's using
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:14 PM
Jan 2020

some rationale that it should have played out through courts.

For what it's worth, every other person -- Matthews, Hayes, McCaskill, Wiley -- said they disagree.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
16. He's wrong.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:18 PM
Jan 2020

Obstruction of Congress though charged separately IS an abuse of power. Refusing the subpoenas and testimony of cabinet staff is taking the power of Congress granted in the section on Impeachment unto himself. That is abusing power.

Ari has been listening to Dershowitz too much recently.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
9. On the obstruction count. And he gave the space for the four others to prove him wrong.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:15 PM
Jan 2020

But he prefaced it all by saying there was (I'm paraphrasing) a mountain of evidence on the first article.

hlthe2b

(102,279 posts)
11. NO. He's saying on the obstruction charge he thinks there may not be enough to
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:16 PM
Jan 2020

convict. He did not say that on the Abuse of Power charge.

I disagree with him (as did Maya, Chris Hayes, and Claire) as I do likewise agree that the obstruction charges are an extension of the abuse of power. It would be hard to have obstruction without documented abuse of power, the reverse does not necessarily apply. Academically, Ari can argue the RW meme that the Dems had not exhausted all court avenues for documents and testimony, but in real application, that is bullshit.

madaboutharry

(40,211 posts)
12. That isn't actually what he said.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:16 PM
Jan 2020

He was talking about the Obstruction of Congress article, not the Abuse of Power article. And everyone told him he's wrong.

elleng

(130,913 posts)
13. Not what he said.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:16 PM
Jan 2020

'He was talking about the Obstruction of Congress article, not the Abuse of Power article. And everyone told him he's wrong.'

mackdaddy

(1,527 posts)
24. The congress power to issue subpoenas does NOT come through the Judiciary branch.
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:33 PM
Jan 2020

I have heard a couple of commentators say they should have gone through the courts to enforce subpoenas. Ari said something similar. And I agree he is WRONG.

Congress is a COEQUAL branch of government. They have unfortunately given away much of their own inherent powers to the other two branches. Powers such as much of the war powers, and directly enforcing inherent contempt for defying subpoenas.

Yes, the congress has recently gone through the courts to enforce subpoenas, but they have the constitutional right to enforce them by sending out someone from the Sgt at Arms to pick up a subject with guns and cuffs, or to impeach a government official for defying subpoenas.

Including the President.

bdamomma

(63,849 posts)
26. I can't listen to Tweety
Fri Jan 24, 2020, 08:36 PM
Jan 2020

or these losers for tRump who don't present anything substantial. I got it on MUTE.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
30. Well he is a lawyer and you do argue the other side - that is what he was doing. He knows this
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 07:07 AM
Jan 2020

dotard is guilty as sin.

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