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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSeriously, I urge Democrats with blood pressure problems not to watch or listen to
the lie-fest now taking place in the Senate. Your health is more important than participating in the outrage in real time. And, we need you.
I don't have blood pressure problems, but turned it off after 2 minutes because of a stomach problem--- I thought I was about to "hurl chunks".
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I can't stomach it or watch it without popping a blood vessel. My BS meter works too well to watch that clusterfuck of lies.
Poiuyt
(18,125 posts)High blood pressure here
Different Drummer
(7,621 posts)Spent the morning watching reruns of "Mystery Science Theater 3000" and "Monty Python's Flying Circus" on IFC. Much more rewarding.
Poiuyt
(18,125 posts)Different Drummer
(7,621 posts)From "The Beast of Yucca Flats."
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Not sure how much longer I'll be listening.
Wounded Bear
(58,662 posts)couldn't be bothered with the Repub "defense."
avebury
(10,952 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,662 posts)from DVD to my hard drive.
ancianita
(36,063 posts)EndlessWire
(6,536 posts)spanone
(135,844 posts)ancianita
(36,063 posts)alittlelark
(18,890 posts)Now listening to 432 hz music and cleaning the house.
The blatant lies and distortions effect me on a visceral level. Not gonna put myself thru that today.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)Coventina
(27,121 posts)hlthe2b
(102,286 posts)I am vacillating beyond rage and despair at the state of our country and move toward despotism.
My sweet girlie brings comfort, but I'm not sure where to go for a needed "shot" of hope.
mnhtnbb
(31,392 posts)It will be one lie after another. No disputing of the facts, just pure BS to buttkiss the orange one.
MerryBlooms
(11,770 posts)occasionally checking MSNBC Live Blog and their real time fact check. Also saw there Lindsey Graham saying the Biden/Burisma better done outside of impeachment. heh, little shit knows that crap's going no where.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Besides, I watched the Watergate hearings when I was 13 and in much better health.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)I believe Adam Schiff did an spectacular job summarizing the lies these buffoons would bring about as a non-defense.
PWPippinesq
(195 posts)I watched about one minute and quickly decided where I would much rather be. Oh, what a tangled web they weave . . .
jalan48
(13,869 posts)What's the point of self-flagellation?
Arthur_Frain
(1,852 posts)I noted that the channels I was watching the proceedings on are not carrying it today though. So I have to listen to the radio. But then I wonder if Fox is actually going to carry live audio today instead of mocking the presentation with their paid talking heads?
And of course this is part of the problem.
iamateacher
(1,089 posts)I watched about 45 minutes. Heard "They didn't tell you this" 4 times. 3rd grade reasoning, with very slow delivery. Hope Trump could comprehend, because that is who they were talking to....
Arthur_Frain
(1,852 posts)And wondered. I thought trump was supposed to be hiring only the best tv lawyers. What I heard was horrendous. No public speaking ability whatsoever, seemingly designed to put people to sleep.
And wondered if that might be the purpose.
iamateacher
(1,089 posts)His followers need people to talk real slow and use simple words and delivery.
It was so ridiculous that my BP was not at all raised, lol.
Arthur_Frain
(1,852 posts)I know the faithful cant be swayed. But anybody else watching this. Anybody with a shred of intelligence, decency, and sense of fair play who looks at this is going to come down on our side.
I think the reason Im a little upbeat is that Ive been watching the Democratic Party shoot itself in the foot repeatedly ever since Reagan, when it seemed to me that if they just avoided doing that, we could have been so much more successful over the preceding 30 years.
This has not happened here. Schiff has been the standout prosecutor and all of the democratic house members have done well, but theyve done stunning, stellar work, when compared with their shouters across the aisle.
Marcuse
(7,487 posts)SallyHemmings
(1,822 posts)I decided to clean out my office. It is a perfect day for such a task.
College basketball is about to begin.
I dont have a history of blood pressure problems.
However, as a former Risk Manager, hazard avoidance is the sane move.
I do appreciate those taking one for the team and watching and reporting.
Mossfern
(2,513 posts)to show that I can listen to both sides and I would expect the Trump supporters to do to the House Mangers presentation.
Did he just turn around the 'abuse of power' argument.
Yes I have high blood pressure and my doc just upped my med dose.
(BTW - $40 dollars per month!)... and that's just one of my meds.
MadMike47
(106 posts)...and I'm not the one.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)wryter2000
(46,051 posts)They all ought to be disbarred for lying to Congress. Its illegal for witnesses to do it.
The_jackalope
(1,660 posts)No how, no way, not never no more.
Two minutes of Cippolone was enough to convince me it was too dangerous.
33taw
(2,443 posts)Pachamama
(16,887 posts)I could feel my stomach churning and my blood pressure rising and I want to have a nice Saturday
We will hear the highlights and summary eventually.
What matters now is that the House managers have a response team that are getting out to the media with corrections to fact and that that in 4 days there will be the debate and vote for witnesses and documents.
I recommend everyone spend their time preparing for that and what is coming and take care of being healthy and strong.
I personally wish there could be massage tables set up for the House managers and legal teams and healthy pressed juices and nourishment for them in the next week so they are strong and ready for what they have to deal with.
marlakay
(11,471 posts)Hubby told me give him 5 min heads up if I turn on so he can leave. I told him not watching.
I can only do small portions of news and I read here and other news sites. Its all a sham no matter how much facts we gave out so to watch his people blindly lie and support him would drive me nuts.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)episode, turned out to be a 2 hour one and when I was done so were these 'opening arguments'. I think the brevity of these 'arguments' says a lot.
LakeArenal
(28,819 posts)If any of their lips are moving they are lying. So I dont need to listen. And watching them is dangerous for my tv.
EndlessWire
(6,536 posts)Someone here is keeping socks at their side so they can throw the socks at the screen. What a great idea!
panader0
(25,816 posts)I thought--good--then my blood can reach all of my extremities.
I can't watch politics on the weekends--Jeannie is home and she does not
abide politics. That's OK, I have enough outrage for both of us.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)Prepare your action list for the 2020 election and begin actions:
# 1. Verify that you are registered on the voter's roll of your current congressional district. Important for those of us who moved into another congressional district since the 2018 election. Changes like that create opportunities for mischief by Repugs with access to the voter data base -- your data could have been corrupted or deleted.
# 2. Begin monthly donations to your DEM governor candidate.
etc.
SunSeeker
(51,564 posts)lark
(23,105 posts)You just confirmed what I knew would be happening - lie-a-second-athon and I absolutely can't take it. Was getting really stressed during the inital statements because not one damn thing they said was true - I mean every word of it was a lie. Watched maybe 5 min and that was it, my screaming did nothing but hurt my throat and raise my bloodpressure & stress levels - so turned it off. I feel a little hypocritical since I was so strong in urging everyone to watch the trial & learn stuff, but there's a huge difference. OUr case is fact based and theirs is fabrications, twists of the actual truth and defamations & degradations of the constitution so I will not deign to give him any of my time.
Just wonder if next week the trial will also start at 1 or since it's the dotard, they will start earlier - which will be yet another cheat by the worst person to ever steal office in this country.
I will turn the tv back on when it's question time, although I might have to turn it off during Cruz and other of the worst idiots time?
Mersky
(4,982 posts)Know yourself and how to take in the constant barrage. It is insidiously, and Id argue, intentionally inflaming.
I can handle it with the outlet that is live posting on DU during these impeachment trial* proceedings - BUT, that is me.
I have been encouraging engagement in the live threads, but thats just one niche of engagement in all of this.
Thank you, Atticus - certainly do not want folks harmed.
kimbutgar
(21,157 posts)There were no witnesses. Immediately changed the channel to TCM.
patphil
(6,180 posts)It's evident they have no intention of doing what's right and no interest in truth.
Schiff's words fell on deaf ears.
It all go back to the old saying, "No one is so blind as he who will not see, and no one is so deaf as he who will not hear."
The Republicans have always been a bit on the dumb side, mentally, but not vocally.
And, they certainly have selective sight and hearing.
They are a lost cause as far as doing what is right and true.
I only hope the nation can survive the Trump shit show.
Patrick Phillips
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)rickford66
(5,524 posts)If you didn't, you can't refute their defense. We do accuse MAGA's of accepting what they are told, not what they see or hear on their own.
Fullduplexxx
(7,864 posts)rickford66
(5,524 posts)I may not get through, but I need facts on any argument I make.
SWBTATTReg
(22,130 posts)by being so blatantly pro rump, by blatantly ignoring the evidence laid out before them, they've lost the respect of a lot of people, as they well should.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)EndlessWire
(6,536 posts)I woke up, listened for a minute or two, fell asleep, then woke up again when they were wrapping up. So, I missed most of it.
The only thing thing I got was twisted logic, mostly regarding the omission of some part of someone's answer that the Repubs claim means something, when the part was irrelevant and probably cut because of the artificial time constraints the Repubs put on the Dems.
Also, trying to persuade us that Trump didn't go somewhere because he wanted to stay home and monitor a hurricane--gawd, everyone knows that Trump doesn't go places that are dangerous--he made Pence go, although I didn't fact check that, and don't know if that is also a lie. Point is, no one is going to believe that.
And, that last guy was speaking like he was half awake. Schiff is a dynamic speaker, impassioned in his defense of our Democracy, and occasionally repeated an emphasis phrase for the emotion of it. This last Repub just kept repeating phrases so that he was saying everything twice. It was weird.
I believe that we should watch, so we know if they have anything. I don't expect to hear anything we don't already think they will say. I would hope that Trump gets agitated over the two tapes and orders them to say something dumb. Is there not a question and answer period we get?
northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)Australian open and a good British mystery on Audible filled my Saturday!!