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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,009 posts)
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 03:23 PM Jan 2020

Democrats Manchin, Jones signal they're undecided on Trump removal vote

Two red-state Democratic senators signaled on Saturday that they are undecided on whether to convict President Trump and ultimately remove him from office.

The comments came after three days of opening arguments from House impeachment managers and as the president's legal team started to lay out its case in a brief Saturday session.

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) told reporters he takes his oath of impartiality "very seriously." He noted that while he thought Democrats did a "good job," he is eager to hear from Trump's' team and will "see where we go from there."

"I'm as impartial as I can possibly be, as I've always been. I'm wide open on this, and we'll see where the facts go," Manchin said.

Sen. Doug Jones. (D-Ala.) said he believes House Democrats have made a "compelling case" but added that he wants to listen to the defense being mounted by Trump's legal team.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/479906-manchin-jones-signal-theyre-undecided-on-convicting-acquitting-trump?fbclid=IwAR3lSzYEQfUxIwOlxL6fhPudBs9RzgHWSXs7lYMxu6NHKoSct6mZJLPcuH0

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Democrats Manchin, Jones signal they're undecided on Trump removal vote (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2020 OP
I'm so tired of Faux pas Jan 2020 #1
We have no game plan to remove Trump wryter2000 Jan 2020 #2
Manchin isn't up for re-election this year and Jones will probably lose anyway so he really should UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #4
I don't know jimfields33 Jan 2020 #9
I think she was going to lose anyway. I believe she barely won last time. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #11
I guess I'm just pissed we lost a good one jimfields33 Jan 2020 #12
Agreed. She provides valuable insight often! nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #14
McCaskell lost not because of Kavanaugh, her history with AfAm Voters was really poor, for yrs irisblue Jan 2020 #15
Also welcome to DU, nice to meet you irisblue Jan 2020 #16
What's a dino? I know the radical right uses rino but surely we are not doing that too. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #7
Dem in name only. MontanaMama Jan 2020 #8
It's the term of art that has been used here Igel Jan 2020 #19
Fucking Seriously? dewsgirl Jan 2020 #3
all they said was that the will listen to the other side. Botany Jan 2020 #5
All Joe said was he is being impartial. That is something that Democrats do. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2020 #6
Manchin I understand more than Jones Polybius Jan 2020 #10
A tight spot? democrank Jan 2020 #17
+1000000000000 triron Jan 2020 #21
Don't we need just 4 votes from the other side to be able to allow witnesses and testimony? secondwind Jan 2020 #13
No need to impale themselves, yet. Besides, kind of hard to criticize GOPers for deciding before Hoyt Jan 2020 #18
color me shocked spanone Jan 2020 #20

wryter2000

(46,051 posts)
2. We have no game plan to remove Trump
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 03:27 PM
Jan 2020

No way we can convince 20 Republicans to do the right thing. If this saves two vulnerable Senate seats, it's galling, but I can live with it.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
4. Manchin isn't up for re-election this year and Jones will probably lose anyway so he really should
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 03:29 PM
Jan 2020

vote his conscience.

jimfields33

(15,808 posts)
9. I don't know
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 03:34 PM
Jan 2020

I keep think back to Senator mcCaskel and how she voted no on kavenaugh but then got voted out and now they have a repug whose 30 years old and will be in the senate forever. What did that get us? A good democratic senator lost her seat. We got nothing for her vote.

irisblue

(32,975 posts)
15. McCaskell lost not because of Kavanaugh, her history with AfAm Voters was really poor, for yrs
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 03:50 PM
Jan 2020

Source--http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/melinda-henneberger/article2017402 u64.html
The article speaks to her failure to work with, respect and reach for AfAm support, the base of the Dem party.

More at article

Sen Jones has a moral core, and in his career acted with that core in evidence, he also knows he became a YS Senator because of Black Womens' get out the vote efforts
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/13/doug-jones-alabama-roy-moore-african-american-voters


snip--"Doug Jones’s shock victory in Alabama relied heavily on a key component of the Democratic coalition: African American voters.

Black voters have long been the linchpin of the Democratic base. But African American turnout has sagged recently in non-presidential elections. Jones was able to reverse that trend on Tuesday. In a state where African Americans make up 26% of the population, they made up 29% of the electorate, according to exit polls, and backed Jones by a margin of 96% to 4%.


Snip--{DNC Vice Chair}"Blake also saw broader ramifications from the increase in turnout and the DNC’s efforts organizing on the ground. “You had black turnout essentially reach and exceed where it was in 2008,” he noted. “It shows that we can and will win everywhere.” He also noted that increase in turnout was achieved despite Alabama’s restrictive voting laws."

Snip--" The result was that turnout surged in predominantly African American counties in the black belt and in urban areas with large African American populations. In Greene County, Alabama, which is 80% percent black, turnout reached 78% of 2016 levels. In contrast, in white rural areas, turnout was just over half of that reached in 2016, when Hillary Clinton lost the state in a landslide. In other counties, Jones received more votes than Clinton did in 2016, including in Moore’s home county of Etowah."

More at article


Sen Jones is no fool, he knows who brought him to the Senate





Igel

(35,317 posts)
19. It's the term of art that has been used here
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 05:21 PM
Jan 2020

since I started in 2004. It's more in vogue at some times, now with higher frequency of usage and now with lower frequency, but it's around.

Polybius

(15,423 posts)
10. Manchin I understand more than Jones
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 03:36 PM
Jan 2020

Jones is not going to get any Republicans to vote for him if he votes no, they will all be out in force voting against him this year.

Manchin on the other hand routinely gets lots of Republicans to vote for him. He's in a tight spot on this one.

democrank

(11,095 posts)
17. A tight spot?
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 03:51 PM
Jan 2020

It’s really difficult to decide whether or not you, as a United States Senator, should stand up for your country?

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
13. Don't we need just 4 votes from the other side to be able to allow witnesses and testimony?
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 03:47 PM
Jan 2020


Or was this quashed earlier today...................

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
18. No need to impale themselves, yet. Besides, kind of hard to criticize GOPers for deciding before
Sat Jan 25, 2020, 03:57 PM
Jan 2020

evidence is presented if we do the same.

Jones' comment makes sense to me: "House Democrats have made a 'compelling case' but added that he wants to listen to the defense being mounted by Trump's legal team."

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