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Two red-state Democratic senators signaled on Saturday that they are undecided on whether to convict President Trump and ultimately remove him from office.
The comments came after three days of opening arguments from House impeachment managers and as the president's legal team started to lay out its case in a brief Saturday session.
Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) told reporters he takes his oath of impartiality "very seriously." He noted that while he thought Democrats did a "good job," he is eager to hear from Trump's' team and will "see where we go from there."
"I'm as impartial as I can possibly be, as I've always been. I'm wide open on this, and we'll see where the facts go," Manchin said.
Sen. Doug Jones. (D-Ala.) said he believes House Democrats have made a "compelling case" but added that he wants to listen to the defense being mounted by Trump's legal team.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/479906-manchin-jones-signal-theyre-undecided-on-convicting-acquitting-trump?fbclid=IwAR3lSzYEQfUxIwOlxL6fhPudBs9RzgHWSXs7lYMxu6NHKoSct6mZJLPcuH0
Faux pas
(14,681 posts)dinos messing up the game plans!
wryter2000
(46,051 posts)No way we can convince 20 Republicans to do the right thing. If this saves two vulnerable Senate seats, it's galling, but I can live with it.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)vote his conscience.
jimfields33
(15,808 posts)I keep think back to Senator mcCaskel and how she voted no on kavenaugh but then got voted out and now they have a repug whose 30 years old and will be in the senate forever. What did that get us? A good democratic senator lost her seat. We got nothing for her vote.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)jimfields33
(15,808 posts)I am glad we see her all the time on msnbc though.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)irisblue
(32,975 posts)Source--http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/melinda-henneberger/article2017402 u64.html
The article speaks to her failure to work with, respect and reach for AfAm support, the base of the Dem party.
More at article
Sen Jones has a moral core, and in his career acted with that core in evidence, he also knows he became a YS Senator because of Black Womens' get out the vote efforts
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/13/doug-jones-alabama-roy-moore-african-american-voters
snip--"Doug Joness shock victory in Alabama relied heavily on a key component of the Democratic coalition: African American voters.
Black voters have long been the linchpin of the Democratic base. But African American turnout has sagged recently in non-presidential elections. Jones was able to reverse that trend on Tuesday. In a state where African Americans make up 26% of the population, they made up 29% of the electorate, according to exit polls, and backed Jones by a margin of 96% to 4%.
Snip--{DNC Vice Chair}"Blake also saw broader ramifications from the increase in turnout and the DNCs efforts organizing on the ground. You had black turnout essentially reach and exceed where it was in 2008, he noted. It shows that we can and will win everywhere. He also noted that increase in turnout was achieved despite Alabamas restrictive voting laws."
Snip--" The result was that turnout surged in predominantly African American counties in the black belt and in urban areas with large African American populations. In Greene County, Alabama, which is 80% percent black, turnout reached 78% of 2016 levels. In contrast, in white rural areas, turnout was just over half of that reached in 2016, when Hillary Clinton lost the state in a landslide. In other counties, Jones received more votes than Clinton did in 2016, including in Moores home county of Etowah."
More at article
Sen Jones is no fool, he knows who brought him to the Senate
irisblue
(32,975 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)MontanaMama
(23,319 posts)Igel
(35,317 posts)since I started in 2004. It's more in vogue at some times, now with higher frequency of usage and now with lower frequency, but it's around.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)Botany
(70,510 posts)n/t
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Polybius
(15,423 posts)Jones is not going to get any Republicans to vote for him if he votes no, they will all be out in force voting against him this year.
Manchin on the other hand routinely gets lots of Republicans to vote for him. He's in a tight spot on this one.
democrank
(11,095 posts)Its really difficult to decide whether or not you, as a United States Senator, should stand up for your country?
triron
(22,006 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)Or was this quashed earlier today...................
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)evidence is presented if we do the same.
Jones' comment makes sense to me: "House Democrats have made a 'compelling case' but added that he wants to listen to the defense being mounted by Trump's legal team."
spanone
(135,841 posts)not