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pnwmom

(108,980 posts) Sat Jan 25, 2020, 04:42 PM Jan 2020

We should brace ourselves. If it becomes certain that the Republicans will defeat a vote

to have witnesses or more evidence, then Schumer could make a tactical decision to let a couple of vulnerable Democrats -- like Doug Jones and Joe Manchin -- vote with them.

It is more important to keep them in the Senate than whether we lose with 47 votes or only 45. Their presence is critical for us to have a chance of obtaining a majority in the Senate and knocking out Mitch McConnell from leadership.

In other words, if Trump is re-elected because he stole the election, but we take the Senate by a small majority, that small majority is what could save us.

The next time the House voted to impeach him, the Senate, led by the Democrats, would vote to conduct a real trial. And the Senate would take him out.

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We should brace ourselves. If it becomes certain that the Republicans will defeat a vote (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2020 OP

I get your reasoning, and I agree, although it hurts. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2020 #1

Jones is toast anyway Ex Lurker Jan 2020 #2

But they get us control of the committees. That is essential. Squinch Jan 2020 #4

Spousal Abuse Victims - Republicans Will Cave Da-truth Jan 2020 #3

I was thinking the same thing. tinrobot Jan 2020 #13

Absent another run by Roy Moore, Jones is done, he should just vote his conscience. tritsofme Jan 2020 #5

Voting one's conscience is one thing calguy Jan 2020 #7

This trial is not about Trump Liberalhammer Jan 2020 #6

that needs to stay up-front... stillcool Jan 2020 #8

Umm NO and I strongly suggest removing you post rufus dog Jan 2020 #9

Politics is politics. Codeine Jan 2020 #12

You miss my point. If Trump is re-elected because he stole the election, pnwmom Jan 2020 #15

I'm braced. maxsolomon Jan 2020 #10

You are right on both counts bottomofthehill Jan 2020 #11

I have just assumed Joe Manchin would vote with the doc03 Jan 2020 #14

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,627 posts)

1. I get your reasoning, and I agree, although it hurts. n/t

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 04:49 PM

Jan 2020

Ex Lurker

(3,814 posts)

2. Jones is toast anyway

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 04:50 PM

Jan 2020

And Manchin is unreliable.

Squinch

(50,950 posts)

4. But they get us control of the committees. That is essential.

Reply to Ex Lurker (Reply #2)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 04:53 PM

Jan 2020

Da-truth

(20 posts)

3. Spousal Abuse Victims - Republicans Will Cave

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 04:52 PM

Jan 2020

Republicans Will Cave in to Trump because they suffer
the affects of Spousal Abuse.

Check out the symptoms:

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Spousal+abuse

tinrobot

(10,903 posts)

13. I was thinking the same thing.

Reply to Da-truth (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 06:43 PM

Jan 2020

They do act like battered spouses.

Sad, because right now, they actually have the power to end the abuse.

tritsofme

(17,379 posts)

5. Absent another run by Roy Moore, Jones is done, he should just vote his conscience.

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 04:59 PM

Jan 2020

Manchin protecting what is still a viable political career is more understandable.

calguy

(5,311 posts)

7. Voting one's conscience is one thing

Reply to tritsofme (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 05:10 PM

Jan 2020

However when a vast majority of the people you represent want you to vote the other way, as their representative, you need to listen. You then gave to decide if your vote represents what your constituents want or what you personally want. I'm glad it's not my decision.

Liberalhammer

(576 posts)

6. This trial is not about Trump

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 05:08 PM

Jan 2020

It's about the Republican senators.

Classic Misdirection strategy because the democrats know that the Republicans will acquit him.

The 2020 election is the goal.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)

8. that needs to stay up-front...

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 05:24 PM

Jan 2020

in my brain. I hope our representatives do the same.

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)

9. Umm NO and I strongly suggest removing you post

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 05:25 PM

Jan 2020

This isn't a political game, playing to win the next round.

This is for the survival of Western Democracy. AND ANY FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT that votes against it need to be taken out.

REP/DEM/INDIE

Your post is the exact reason why we lose, let's make sure not to upset too many!

FUCK THAT!!!! You want to live under fascism, keep taking your suggested approach. You know why they think they can get away with it and call Dems snowflakes?

You want them to claim that it was a bipartisan vote!!

This appeasement shit has got to fucking stop.

Because some of us will end up in Prison or DEAD while the other liberals sit pontificate on the next move.

Codeine

(25,586 posts)

12. Politics is politics.

Reply to rufus dog (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 06:29 PM

Jan 2020

Pretending otherwise is childish.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)

15. You miss my point. If Trump is re-elected because he stole the election,

Reply to rufus dog (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 08:14 PM

Jan 2020

but we take the Senate by a small majority, that small majority is what could result in the survival of western Democracy.

The next time the House voted to impeach him, the Senate would vote to conduct a real trial. And he would be gone.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)

10. I'm braced.

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 05:27 PM

Jan 2020

Jones is a historical anomaly and will lose next year regardless of his vote.

Manchin should do the right thing; he was just re-elected in a state that won't remember jack shit about 2020 in 2024 (when he'll be 75+). They can't even remember what side their bread is buttered on (the Union side).

bottomofthehill

(8,332 posts)

11. You are right on both counts

Reply to maxsolomon (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 06:18 PM

Jan 2020

doc03

(35,340 posts)

14. I have just assumed Joe Manchin would vote with the

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 25, 2020, 07:07 PM

Jan 2020

Republicans all along. WV is the most f---d up Trump state in the nation.

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