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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWitnesses loom large in Republican minds.
They know there are not enough votes to convict.
But, the decision they have to make, a political one, is whether or not to shut down the trial, without any witnesses or documents.
How will it play with the public? If it takes root, then it could be very damaging to them in the next election?
Or do they agree to take witnesses, and immediately acquit after the witnesses testimony?
Is it safer, politically, for them to immediately shut down the trial, and take the vote to acquit?
That is the decision they have to make.
OrlandoDem2
(2,065 posts)We must apply pressure. I wish there were some large rallies that would gain attention.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)empedocles
(15,751 posts)really ugly.
Witnesses are really dangerous.
Will Roberts wake up?
Major drama coming up!!!
kentuck
(111,104 posts)I do not believe Roberts will continue to not address the "executive privilege" issue and the right, for both sides, to call whichever witnesses they need to help their case, whether it be Hunter Biden or Mick Mulvaney?
We're in this rodeo. Let's ride that pony.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)excluding witnesses.
Eyeball_Kid
(7,432 posts)McConnell will do what Trump and Putin tell him to do, as long as it keeps McConnell in power. His coming re-election will be a certainty, even if he's double digits underwater right now. He's got his finger on the electronic voting system and he's got the ace in the hole at all times: all he has to do is tell his voters to "own the libs". Those are magic words.
underpants
(182,836 posts)They have already been told what they need to know on Fox News and from their dashboard. The as seen on TV legal team is simply echoing the same aimed at the TV audience not the members of the Senate.
*obviously does not include BENGHAZI
kentuck
(111,104 posts)4139
(1,893 posts)...their biggest fear is having witness and prolonging their pain.
Only Susan Collins is worried about the optics of no witnesses
kentuck
(111,104 posts)I don't know that people will forget about it?
No doubt, Trump and McConnell want it over quickly.
meow2u3
(24,764 posts)To them, it's not a matter of what you've done, but rather who you are. They've take our condemnation of the IOKIYAR attitude and run with it.
They think they can do no wrong and are above the law, but Democrats can do no right and are beneath the protection of the law. That's their arrogance in a nutshell.
kentuck
(111,104 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)kentuck
(111,104 posts)The law is whatever you can get away with.
Bonhomme Richard
(9,000 posts)they don't care. They have to acquit and deal with some backlash though we all know the media will give them some cover. What they don't want is for the general public to hear what the witnesses have to say. That would be a disaster and it would only make things worse for them.
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)witnesses get more of what actually happened, out to the non-Trumper Republican voters. McConnell's sheep will vote to acquit and let Trump claim victory.
kentuck
(111,104 posts)That witnesses are necessary for a fair trial.
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)for the Constitution over the GOP.
kentuck
(111,104 posts)But I doubt McConnell can change the Constitution and the role of the Chief Justice?
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)to happen.
kentuck
(111,104 posts)You may be right but why wouldn't Roberts stand up? With the gaze of history, it is a tough spot for him to be in.
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)If you are right, but I'll be happily surprised than the usual gutted to be let down !!!
standingtall
(2,785 posts)has to be the tie breaker. Roberts is a right wing hack, but it would look awful bad for any Judge to vote against have any witnesses in any trial. So if that were to happen I think Roberts would have to vote for witnesses, and would also signal to everyone that Trump attempts to block witnesses would be sure to fail in the supreme court if it got there.
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)If they agree to witnesses, we may be appalled at who they call. Clearly Hunter Biden is first on their list despite the fact that he has nothing to do with Trump's actions. They may call Adam Schiff so the "he's corrupt" meme they are formulating on the fly will call into question the entire process. Then there may be the celebrity character witnesses like John Voigt, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent and Scott Biao because of the possible TV ratings...is there ever a cogent reason for anything in Trumpworld?
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)The more circus like they make it, the more campaign ads we have for November.
I get your drift, though.
Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)to give the senators a (seemingly) understandable way out to vote for no witnesses and eventual acquittal.
Basically... 'its the House Dem's fault for not handling the case right (re: obstruction - 'the subpoenas were flawed'), 'the Mangers have said the evidence is overwhelming, we don't need more', 'the managers ignore evidence already included that would clear trump (the plausibility').
They are playing fast because they want it over and they know it will be, and they will do whatever spinning they need to.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)I dont see any real reason why these crooks would allow that to happen. They already have their bullshit narrative about it being the houses job to find the evidence, and the trumpets have all seemingly bought into it, so why would they risk it?
Nancy Waterman
(6,407 posts)It will make it much easier to claim it is a sham trial and not any kind of real "exoneration." Then Bolton and Parnas can testify before the House and get covered that way.
kentuck
(111,104 posts)Please, B'rer Fox.... don't throw me in that briar patch.