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kentuck

(111,104 posts)
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 08:16 AM Jan 2020

Witnesses loom large in Republican minds.

They know there are not enough votes to convict.

But, the decision they have to make, a political one, is whether or not to shut down the trial, without any witnesses or documents.

How will it play with the public? If it takes root, then it could be very damaging to them in the next election?

Or do they agree to take witnesses, and immediately acquit after the witnesses testimony?

Is it safer, politically, for them to immediately shut down the trial, and take the vote to acquit?

That is the decision they have to make.

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Witnesses loom large in Republican minds. (Original Post) kentuck Jan 2020 OP
I have been writing my senators. We need to pressure them to vote for witnesses. OrlandoDem2 Jan 2020 #1
Same here. We've piled on ours, both despicables. Hortensis Jan 2020 #14
A no witness, trump saying he has the information, sham trial is empedocles Jan 2020 #2
One does get the feeling there is more to come. kentuck Jan 2020 #3
McC did say weeks ago, that he did not see 'sentiment' in the Senate for empedocles Jan 2020 #7
What McConnell says is meaningless. He lies all the time. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2020 #27
When was the last time Republicans wanted more factual information*? underpants Jan 2020 #4
Are they corrupt! kentuck Jan 2020 #5
Wishful thinking, the republican know the sooner it's over the sooner people will forget about it 4139 Jan 2020 #6
The sooner they hope people will forget about it. kentuck Jan 2020 #8
Repukes don't seem to believe in impartial justice meow2u3 Jan 2020 #9
I think that is a fair summary. kentuck Jan 2020 #10
It's not illegal if you get away with it... Wounded Bear Jan 2020 #22
Right! kentuck Jan 2020 #24
They already know what the witnesses are going to say and... Bonhomme Richard Jan 2020 #11
McConnell wants a fast acquittal, and he's probably right. I can't see how that's worse than letting OnDoutside Jan 2020 #12
What if the Chief Justice rules on it? kentuck Jan 2020 #13
McConnell can change the rules to bypass him. In anycase, I doubt Roberts has the balls to stand up OnDoutside Jan 2020 #15
The Senate can vote to override his ruling with simple majority... kentuck Jan 2020 #16
Exactly, but it's a fruitless hope to expect Roberts to stand up to McConnell. It's just not going OnDoutside Jan 2020 #17
How do we know that? kentuck Jan 2020 #19
His track record surely isn't the best ? More mouse than lion. Great OnDoutside Jan 2020 #30
What if by chance it's a 50 to 50 vote and Roberts standingtall Jan 2020 #20
Careful what we wish for Generic Brad Jan 2020 #18
In some ways, I'm thinking "Go for it!" Wounded Bear Jan 2020 #23
A conscience is that little voice inside your head that says, "Somebody is watching." Wounded Bear Jan 2020 #21
I think they pass...their arguments seems to just want to create a plausible level of 'doubt' jmg257 Jan 2020 #25
Witnesses mean the media will be full of evidence showing Trump's guilt Kentonio Jan 2020 #26
I hope there are no witnesses or futher evidence Nancy Waterman Jan 2020 #28
That sounds like a brilliant Machiavellian strategy. kentuck Jan 2020 #29

OrlandoDem2

(2,065 posts)
1. I have been writing my senators. We need to pressure them to vote for witnesses.
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 08:21 AM
Jan 2020

We must apply pressure. I wish there were some large rallies that would gain attention.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
2. A no witness, trump saying he has the information, sham trial is
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 08:23 AM
Jan 2020

really ugly.

Witnesses are really dangerous.

Will Roberts wake up?

Major drama coming up!!!

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
3. One does get the feeling there is more to come.
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 08:56 AM
Jan 2020

I do not believe Roberts will continue to not address the "executive privilege" issue and the right, for both sides, to call whichever witnesses they need to help their case, whether it be Hunter Biden or Mick Mulvaney?

We're in this rodeo. Let's ride that pony.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
27. What McConnell says is meaningless. He lies all the time.
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:01 PM
Jan 2020

McConnell will do what Trump and Putin tell him to do, as long as it keeps McConnell in power. His coming re-election will be a certainty, even if he's double digits underwater right now. He's got his finger on the electronic voting system and he's got the ace in the hole at all times: all he has to do is tell his voters to "own the libs". Those are magic words.

underpants

(182,836 posts)
4. When was the last time Republicans wanted more factual information*?
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:17 AM
Jan 2020

They have already been told what they need to know on Fox News and from their dashboard. The as seen on TV legal team is simply echoing the same aimed at the TV audience not the members of the Senate.

*obviously does not include BENGHAZI

4139

(1,893 posts)
6. Wishful thinking, the republican know the sooner it's over the sooner people will forget about it
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:05 AM
Jan 2020

...their biggest fear is having witness and prolonging their pain.

Only Susan Collins is worried about the optics of no witnesses

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
8. The sooner they hope people will forget about it.
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:21 AM
Jan 2020

I don't know that people will forget about it?

No doubt, Trump and McConnell want it over quickly.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
9. Repukes don't seem to believe in impartial justice
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:26 AM
Jan 2020

To them, it's not a matter of what you've done, but rather who you are. They've take our condemnation of the IOKIYAR attitude and run with it.
They think they can do no wrong and are above the law, but Democrats can do no right and are beneath the protection of the law. That's their arrogance in a nutshell.

Bonhomme Richard

(9,000 posts)
11. They already know what the witnesses are going to say and...
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:41 AM
Jan 2020

they don't care. They have to acquit and deal with some backlash though we all know the media will give them some cover. What they don't want is for the general public to hear what the witnesses have to say. That would be a disaster and it would only make things worse for them.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
12. McConnell wants a fast acquittal, and he's probably right. I can't see how that's worse than letting
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:43 AM
Jan 2020

witnesses get more of what actually happened, out to the non-Trumper Republican voters. McConnell's sheep will vote to acquit and let Trump claim victory.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
15. McConnell can change the rules to bypass him. In anycase, I doubt Roberts has the balls to stand up
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:48 AM
Jan 2020

for the Constitution over the GOP.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
16. The Senate can vote to override his ruling with simple majority...
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:53 AM
Jan 2020

But I doubt McConnell can change the Constitution and the role of the Chief Justice?

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
17. Exactly, but it's a fruitless hope to expect Roberts to stand up to McConnell. It's just not going
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:56 AM
Jan 2020

to happen.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
19. How do we know that?
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:58 AM
Jan 2020

You may be right but why wouldn't Roberts stand up? With the gaze of history, it is a tough spot for him to be in.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
30. His track record surely isn't the best ? More mouse than lion. Great
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:33 PM
Jan 2020

If you are right, but I'll be happily surprised than the usual gutted to be let down !!!

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
20. What if by chance it's a 50 to 50 vote and Roberts
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:17 AM
Jan 2020

has to be the tie breaker. Roberts is a right wing hack, but it would look awful bad for any Judge to vote against have any witnesses in any trial. So if that were to happen I think Roberts would have to vote for witnesses, and would also signal to everyone that Trump attempts to block witnesses would be sure to fail in the supreme court if it got there.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
18. Careful what we wish for
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:57 AM
Jan 2020

If they agree to witnesses, we may be appalled at who they call. Clearly Hunter Biden is first on their list despite the fact that he has nothing to do with Trump's actions. They may call Adam Schiff so the "he's corrupt" meme they are formulating on the fly will call into question the entire process. Then there may be the celebrity character witnesses like John Voigt, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent and Scott Biao because of the possible TV ratings...is there ever a cogent reason for anything in Trumpworld?

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
23. In some ways, I'm thinking "Go for it!"
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:24 AM
Jan 2020

The more circus like they make it, the more campaign ads we have for November.

I get your drift, though.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
25. I think they pass...their arguments seems to just want to create a plausible level of 'doubt'
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:33 AM
Jan 2020

to give the senators a (seemingly) understandable way out to vote for no witnesses and eventual acquittal.

Basically... 'its the House Dem's fault for not handling the case right (re: obstruction - 'the subpoenas were flawed'), 'the Mangers have said the evidence is overwhelming, we don't need more', 'the managers ignore evidence already included that would clear trump (the plausibility').

They are playing fast because they want it over and they know it will be, and they will do whatever spinning they need to.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
26. Witnesses mean the media will be full of evidence showing Trump's guilt
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 11:46 AM
Jan 2020

I don’t see any real reason why these crooks would allow that to happen. They already have their bullshit narrative about it being the house’s job to find the evidence, and the trumpets have all seemingly bought into it, so why would they risk it?

Nancy Waterman

(6,407 posts)
28. I hope there are no witnesses or futher evidence
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:11 PM
Jan 2020

It will make it much easier to claim it is a sham trial and not any kind of real "exoneration." Then Bolton and Parnas can testify before the House and get covered that way.

kentuck

(111,104 posts)
29. That sounds like a brilliant Machiavellian strategy.
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 12:57 PM
Jan 2020

Please, B'rer Fox.... don't throw me in that briar patch.

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