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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:11 AM Jan 2020

Maddow: After being told Ukraine would "last 30 secs" w/o US help, he held aid anyway

Rachel Maddow MSNBC ✔@maddow

Striking moment in the tape.

President Trump asks how long Ukraine would last in its war w/Russia.

- "Without us?"

- "Not long."

- "30 seconds."

The tape is from April 2018.

Then, in 2019, the president orders the withholding of all US military aid to Ukraine.


Josh Lederman ✔@JoshNBCNews

JUST IN: Full audio obtained by @NBCNews of what Parnas attorney says is donor dinner with Trump includes what appears to be Trump asking how long Ukraine would last against Russia, told "without us, not very long"


Rachel Maddow MSNBC ✔@maddow

Trump:"Do you think Russia ever goes in and gets Ukraine?"

"They would love to.But they're scared of you...They want Ukraine..."

Trump:"How's Ukraine feeling?They feel they're going to be ok?"

"They feel they're going to be ok if you support them"

Thereafter, he cuts off aid.


6:29 PM - Jan 25, 2020




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Maddow: After being told Ukraine would "last 30 secs" w/o US help, he held aid anyway (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 OP
on tape Trump is told Russia wants all of Ukraine, not just Crimea wishstar Jan 2020 #1
This conversation tells us this much: Baitball Blogger Jan 2020 #2
Even though stopping the Gas pipeline would hurt us in Europe, I think it's something the OnDoutside Jan 2020 #3
Twitter reply : Rhiannon12866 Jan 2020 #4
"I have an idea: let's give Russia our military bases and Ukraine!" struggle4progress Jan 2020 #5
#ARLTP Dennis Donovan Jan 2020 #6

wishstar

(5,270 posts)
1. on tape Trump is told Russia wants all of Ukraine, not just Crimea
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:35 AM
Jan 2020

they tell him about Ukraine's rich oil resources and the pipeline that will help Russia

Baitball Blogger

(46,736 posts)
2. This conversation tells us this much:
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:19 AM
Jan 2020

Trump does not like Ukraine. He sees them as a country that he wants to subjugate. But we already know that he's in love with Putin. So why would we believe anything that they have to say about Ukraine meddling with the 2016 election?

There are several motives for Trump to protect Russia. But the one we should be concerned with is that he wants to give Russia space to do it again in 2020.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
3. Even though stopping the Gas pipeline would hurt us in Europe, I think it's something the
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 10:54 AM
Jan 2020

EU should if not consider, then definitely work to reduce the reliance on Russian gas.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
5. "I have an idea: let's give Russia our military bases and Ukraine!"
Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:03 PM
Jan 2020

Russia Takes Over Third U.S. Base in Syria
Dec. 26, 2019

Russian military police have taken over another base that was recently abandoned by the United States in northern Syria, the state-run TASS news agency reported Thursday. U.S. troops reportedly held the former school building as a base north of Raqqa, the former de facto capital of the Islamic State terrorist group, until “days ago.” Russian television showed soldiers hoisting the national flag on its rooftop and armored vehicles assembling nearby ...

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/12/26/russia-takes-over-third-us-base-syria-a68751

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