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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHaving a dickens of a time finding surgical face masks on line
"Currently out of stock" is what I see on many of them or expected delivery time isn't till the end of February or sometime in March. This is Walgreen's, Walmart and Amazon.
RandySF
(58,919 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)in an urgent care we went to were wearing them. I forgot to ask a staffer if that was normal in flu season or if not what they thought was going on.
I actually have an unopened box of paper masks of the recommended grade for plain paper masks back in Georgia. Bought them back in 2009 or so.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Clinics give a mask to anyone with flu symptoms. I avoid my normal clinic like the plague during the season, or schedule the first appointment of the day with my primary care doctor. I also use hand sanitizer at every opportunity and never touch anything with my bare hands.
I hate doctor's offices. All those sick people!
I do have to schedule my annual Medicare wellness check visit within the next 30 days, though. First appointment of the day is 7:40 AM, so I'll schedule on the first day that time is available.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Shouldnt you avoid it like the flu instead?
hlthe2b
(102,297 posts)FYI
That said, you are jumping to conclusions right now. Right now, flu is more likely to infect you.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)established, anything that kept that out of eyes, nose and mouth, like a dishtowel, could conceivably be very helpful, even if completely inadequate for medical workers. Plus, of course, washing hands frequently and very well and keeping them away from ports of entry.
hlthe2b
(102,297 posts)a BIG difference. Research SARs or H5N1 pandemic flu.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Blanket statements that nothing but professional medical gear will help anyone, regardless of which way it might spread, are not accurate.
hlthe2b
(102,297 posts)via true aerosolization the recommendation will be at a miniumum N95.
Mere surgical masks are not ER's will swtich to N95 masks when assuming respiratory precautions, however.
Kaleva
(36,312 posts)"Surgical masks as good as respirators for flu and respiratory virus protection
by UT Southwestern Medical Center"
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-09-surgical-masks-good-respirators-flu.html
Other sources:
"Yes, a surgical mask can help prevent the flu, Sherif Mossad, MD, an infectious disease specialist at the Cleveland Clinic, tells Health. Flu is carried in air droplets, so a mask would mechanically prevent the flu virus from reaching other people. It would work both ways, says Dr. Mossad, preventing transmission of the flu virus to others and for keeping a mask-wearer from picking up an infection.
Surgical masks to prevent the flu can be found in major drugstores and online, and yours doesn't need to be fancy to help. A simple disposable mask is fine, just be sure the packaging notes that it protects against airborne particles, Susan Besser, MD, a family medicine doctor with Mercy Personal Physicians at Overlea in Baltimore, Maryland tells Health. And splurge for a value-sized pack. Disposable is best and you should discard your mask after each use, says Dr. Besser. If a mask gets wetand it will by simply breathing into itthe effectiveness of its protective effect is reduced."
https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/surgical-mask-flu-prevention
"One study shows that when there's a sick family member in the house, other family members could cut their risk of getting sick by 60% to 80% by using face masks consistently and correctly -- in combination with frequent hand washing and avoiding close contact with the sick person."
https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/features/swine-flu-h1n1-and-face-masks#1
"Donning a face mask either a surgical mask or a P2/N95 respirator mask (high particulate filter mask) boosts protection from severe respiratory illnesses such as influenza and SARS, say researchers from the University of New South Wales (UNSW). These masks are not necessarily the same as the dust masks that some people use when cleaning or doing construction work.
In the study, adult mask wearers in the home were four times more likely than non-wearers to be protected against respiratory viruses, including the common cold."
https://www.livescience.com/7661-masks-protect-colds-flu.html
"Not so for the World Health Organization or the Society for Healthcare Epidemiology of America, the Infectious Diseases Society of America, the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology, and the American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine.
They collectively recommended regular surgical masks except in high risk circumstances, such as during open suctioning of airway secretions and other procedures that could "aerosolize" the H1N1 virus."
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/infectioncontrol/16278
hlthe2b
(102,297 posts)spread. Are simple face-masks better than nothing? Likely so. So too is washing your hands. And for influenza specifically, getting vaccinated. But like the 15 million US residents who have been infected with influenza this year, including 8200 who have DIED, only about 45% get vaccinated for flu, (and even among health care workers, only 30% have been shown to routinely wash hands behind patients). So promoting hysteria over this virus, when Americans won't even take basic precautions against the most serious and threatening virus circulating currently is hardly the most responsible protection message.
While providing SOME protection, only N95 masks adequately protect against truly aerosolized viruses as opposed to those spread only by droplets:
A poorly fitted respirator or a loose-fitting surgical mask, by contrast, blocked only about two thirds of the virus particles.
The researchers say their findings suggest that "anyone present in a room with a patient who has influenza might be at risk of exposure" and that properly fitted N95 respirators provide maximal protection. Their report is an early online publication in Clinical Infectious Diseases.
Current guidance from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) says that flu viruses spread primarily via virus-laden large droplets from coughs and sneezes, but that these generally travel in the air only about 3 feet.
As noted in an editorial accompanying the new study, the role of smaller aerosol particles that travel farther is uncertain and controversial, which has engendered confusion about the best infection control measures for healthcare workers.
Kaleva
(36,312 posts)As a former foster parent, I still wash my hands vigorously with soap and water after going to the bathroom or handling something dirty for at least 20 seconds each time. I use bleach wipes to wipe down door handles, kitchen faucet handles, shower handles, kitchen counters , bathroom counters, and toilet flush lever every few days and bleach water to wipe down toilets and bathroom floors. I'm out of bleach and wipes now and have to get some the next time I go into town.
I can't wear N95 respirators because I can't get enough air. It's annoying at best to be breathing hard while at rest and it's a bugger when trying to do physical work. And when I was breathing so hard, warm breathe would escape from around my nose and fog up my glasses. I can wear surgical masks when doing dirty work although I haven't in a long time even though my wife gets on me about wearing some kind of protection. I ordered some last night so even if I don't need them for the new virus, i can still use them for doing routine dirty work.
applegrove
(118,696 posts)Do you sew?
ornotna
(10,803 posts)Is to keep you from touching your mouth and nose. A bandana will do that.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Go to a hospital, if you can gain access. There are usually dispensers around that have face masks for you to take.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)Like food and toilet paper. And, soap and other cleaning products. Just in case it gets so bad that people need to avoid going out in public. Wipe everything down frequently, including your car steering wheel, door handles, etc., your phones, keyboard, mouse, gym equipment... Wash your hands frequently, and don't touch your face until you do so. You know, stuff we all should be doing anyway...
Just read an article about this yesterday. A masks are of little use. Better to concentrate on wearing gloves in public. Avoid touching door handles, elevator buttons, stair railings etc. Carry wipes for surfaces you touch ungloved, and yes...a bandanna will do just fine for face cover.
Fi you can , avoid public transit, air travel - where they recycle air. Masks are appropriate if you must fly.
Kaleva
(36,312 posts)But I don't live in a bubble and as all the kids and grandchildren live within easy walking distance, those supplies won't last long.
chowder66
(9,073 posts)Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)LunaSea
(2,894 posts)ornotna
(10,803 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)For the whole of the USA, and the whole of the 2019-20 flu season, 8,200 people have died.
Kaleva
(36,312 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)than an outbreak in another country that has killed fewer people?
Perhaps there are people with greater need for surgical masks than you, if there's a shortage.
Kaleva
(36,312 posts)brooklynite
(94,601 posts)...theyre intended to keep germs from getting out.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)DU hysteria is always fun.
Kaleva
(36,312 posts)My wife gets on me about not wearing a mask and my excuse is we don't have any. I won't have that excuse anymore.
Edit: I don't like stocking anything for possible emergencies unless it's something I use regularly.
lame54
(35,294 posts)samnsara
(17,622 posts)PatrickforO
(14,578 posts)Just kidding!
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)doesn't say out of stock
Kaleva
(36,312 posts)"Yes, a surgical mask can help prevent the flu, Sherif Mossad, MD, an infectious disease specialist at the Cleveland Clinic, tells Health. Flu is carried in air droplets, so a mask would mechanically prevent the flu virus from reaching other people. It would work both ways, says Dr. Mossad, preventing transmission of the flu virus to others and for keeping a mask-wearer from picking up an infection.
Surgical masks to prevent the flu can be found in major drugstores and online, and yours doesn't need to be fancy to help. A simple disposable mask is fine, just be sure the packaging notes that it protects against airborne particles, Susan Besser, MD, a family medicine doctor with Mercy Personal Physicians at Overlea in Baltimore, Maryland tells Health. And splurge for a value-sized pack. Disposable is best and you should discard your mask after each use, says Dr. Besser. If a mask gets wetand it will by simply breathing into itthe effectiveness of its protective effect is reduced."
https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/surgical-mask-flu-prevention
"One study shows that when there's a sick family member in the house, other family members could cut their risk of getting sick by 60% to 80% by using face masks consistently and correctly -- in combination with frequent hand washing and avoiding close contact with the sick person."
https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/features/swine-flu-h1n1-and-face-masks#1
"Donning a face mask either a surgical mask or a P2/N95 respirator mask (high particulate filter mask) boosts protection from severe respiratory illnesses such as influenza and SARS, say researchers from the University of New South Wales (UNSW). These masks are not necessarily the same as the dust masks that some people use when cleaning or doing construction work.
In the study, adult mask wearers in the home were four times more likely than non-wearers to be protected against respiratory viruses, including the common cold."
https://www.livescience.com/7661-masks-protect-colds-flu.html
"Not so for the World Health Organization or the Society for Healthcare Epidemiology of America, the Infectious Diseases Society of America, the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology, and the American College of Occupational and Environmental Medicine.
They collectively recommended regular surgical masks except in high risk circumstances, such as during open suctioning of airway secretions and other procedures that could "aerosolize" the H1N1 virus."
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/infectioncontrol/16278
dameatball
(7,398 posts)I have had really good luck with them...use them vacuuming, etc., due to allergies.
Kaleva
(36,312 posts)dameatball
(7,398 posts)than nothing.
Kaleva
(36,312 posts)As you say, it's better then nothing!
https://www.sciplus.com/face-mask-44863-p
sl8
(13,800 posts)Might want to check on the websites for your local Home Depot or Lowes or similar for N95 masks.
Kaleva
(36,312 posts)"Surgical masks as good as respirators for flu and respiratory virus protection
by UT Southwestern Medical Center"
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-09-surgical-masks-good-respirators-flu.html
sl8
(13,800 posts)Incidentally, the box of 3M N95 masks that I have for shop use are labelled "N95 surgical masks" , so it appears there is some overlap between the two.